Not sure I understand the point, states and markets are entirely different things, especially a state run by the working class whose goal is to collectivize all production and distribution, erasing the basis of class struggle and therefore the oppressive elements of government that make up the state.

The state is a result of class struggle, so to end states once and for all you need to achieve classless society, eliminating the basis of the state. That means collectivizing all production and distribution globally, into one system. Once this is done, there are no classes in contention, and as such the oppressive elements of society used to keep the proletariat on top will gradually disappear and “wither,” being reduced in function and scope until only what’s necessary remains, like administration.

“Lemmy” in the subject meaning, presumably, the broader lemmy, not Lemmy.ml in particular.

What changes is that society, rather than being run by capitalists and for capitalists, becomes run by the working classes, and the state acts in their interests. This is reflected in policy. You have a metaphysical way of thinking that sees systems as being capable of understanding devoid of the context they exist in, as static, and in a vacuum, ie an impossible fantasy.

Do you believe that things like the media, culture, state, and industry have absolutely no impact whatsoever on how things are decided in a given system?

“Tankie” is just a pejorative for communists, it’s a strawman that essentially says that the Red Scare was correct, but that that’s a good thing.

I think I have a fairly understandable point of view, as I’m not just a communist online but actually do political activism in real life as a communist. Not as much as I’d like, but that’s something I’m working on.

Nobody is saying democracy itself is bad, but that democracy in the context of capitalism isn’t really democratic. Socialist democracy works, and does so far better than democracy in capitalist systems at achieving results for the working classes. We expect democracy to work differently in socialism because this is observably true.

I’m not talking about how individual capitalists or socialists use democracy, but how democracy as a system functions in capitalism vs. socialism. My point isn’t that democracy is bad, but that democracy can only exist in the context of the class struggle, and in economic systems dominated by capitalism, the democratic institutions will inevitably be hollow and unusable for the purposes of establishing socialism.

I absolutely understand the basic concept, my point is that socialists in the, say, US, or Canada, cannot use existing structures of “democracy” to bring about socialism. No cognitive dissonance on my part, just pure metaphysical thinking on yours.

Fair, lol

Not really, sometimes I just think people can be stubborn, or simple miscommunication happens. Text isn’t as clear as speaking in person.

The simple answer is that capitalist “democracy” is “democracy” controlled by capitalists. Capitalists control production and distribution, pick what parties can run, run the mass media and bribe officials. Socialist democracy exists in the context of worker control. You view democracy as existing outside of this context, usable by anyone for any aim, which is why you’re running into the same mistake. Revolution means overthrowing the system with force, see what the bolsheviks did in Russia for an example.

I have no idea where your condescension comes from, if you can’t acknowledge the role capital plays in the state then you’ll forever be confused.

Nothing I said is contradictory, nor projection. If you want to establish socialism, you cannot just vote for it, you have to overthrow the state and replace it with a socialist one. Russia, China, Cuba, Vietnam, etc. have already done so in the past. Engage with what I’m saying, I repeat myself because you keep making the same mistakes and dodging the point.

Just browse Join-Lemmy and pick an instance that sticks out and you like the vibe of, with good local communities and decent federation. The only one I truly recommend avoiding is Lemmy.world, due to its size and moderation on some larger communities.

Lemmy.world is actually defederated from some larger instances, and many smaller ones defederate it for being too dominating.

If people are communists, I see no reason why they should avoid the communist instances. If you don’t like communists, wouldn’t you rather they be in instances you’re defederated with or can easily block? People can decide for themselves if they want to stay or not after checking an instance.

Hexbear is openly communist, it doesn’t “try to sound cute to trick people.” That’s genuinely the community, tons of queer communists.

You may disagree with communists, but we are by no means fascists. Fascism is inherently tied to protecting private property and capitalism, communists oppose that and seek to collectivize production and distribution.

.world is missing because it’s way too big, and Grad is below other servers like dbzer0, sh.itjust.worlks, Blahaj.zone, Lemmy.ca, programming.dev, etc. Hex and .ml are up high because, like it or not, they are highly active non-.world instances.

In addition to being a themed community of communities, instances also have different federation/defederation policy. dbzer0 is defederated from Lemmygrad.ml, for example, while being federated with Hexbear.net. There’s also the differences on how upvoting and downvoting is treated among instances, with some disabling downvotes and some disabling voting altogether.

Nor on Hexbear, or a few other large instances. In the case of Hexbear and Blahaj, it’s to protect queer users from being unfairly downvoted, as well as to encourage discussion over silent downvoting.