• @Xanza@lemm.ee
    link
    fedilink
    English
    1714 months ago

    “It’s so expensive to have children in Japan that birthrate is further declining.”

    I swear to God these people couldn’t connect the dots with a GPS.

      • @robbinhood@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        264 months ago

        I mean, Japan is one of the more isolationist countries on earth. And racism is a massive issue. Christianity isn’t a major factor, but traditional views on the roles of women and the set up of the household are a major challenge.

            • @Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              5
              edit-2
              4 months ago

              The problems over there are the same problems Americans are starting to rekon with. That’s why you see Vance and his ilk push for this fetishized version of the American dream where every MAGA male gets their own concubine. It’s fantasy and has the exact wrong chilling effect. As it’s trying to answer the same racist question, “more of us less of them.” While what they need is a healthy population which they refuse to recognize requires a diverse composition with plenty of resources.

            • @MonkeMischief@lemmy.today
              link
              fedilink
              English
              1
              edit-2
              4 months ago

              U.S dwelling Christian anarchist here.

              I’m sorry for your terrible experiences with so-called “christians” that bought into the americapitalist death cult. Heck, politics aside, everyone’s had a run-in at some point. We’re embattled with those types, too.

              But nah, there’s plenty of Christians here that actually read the source material and we’re trying our best out here.

              We’re just harder to spot because we’re busy trying to love our neighbor(everyone) and facilitate peace and hope, imperfect as we may be. But we’re trying.

              They don’t build mega/(maga?)churches for people like that. These folks don’t get featured on the news, or end up in positions of power, because if they get the chance, they talk about the “Love your enemies” and “The rich won’t enter Heaven” Jesus of the Gospel, not “supply-side God will make you rich Jesus.”

              They’re not trying to force theocratic policy, or sling hatred, or act obnoxious in the streets, and they’re definitely not wearing stupid little red hats.

              If you encounter one of us, you might not even realize it. If we’re doing a good job, we’re somebody who “looks like they could help.”, someone you can trust, and will show you an unusual amount of kindness for someone you barely know.

              If it comes around to it, we’ll share the Bible as a gift, like how anyone nerds out about what they love, not use it as a bludgeoning instrument.

              We’re incredibly angry about the State Religion calling itself “evangelical”, and we’re right there with you in opposing these monsters doing the works of Hell.

              The churches of the early United States were straight up based. For real, the tophats and monacles of the day thought churches were a leftist threat, and basically systematically undermined them and warped them into capitalism’s ardent apologists we see today. (See: "Behind the Bastards: How the Rich Ate Christianity. It’s mind blowing.)

              Anyway, much love, stay safe out there. ❤️

      • @Miaou@jlai.lu
        link
        fedilink
        English
        04 months ago

        Is this supposed to be a jab at people criticising Christianity? Because the same problems can be found in non-Christian countries, does not mean Christianity didn’t have a role in what happened elsewhere

    • Dr. Moose
      link
      fedilink
      English
      474 months ago

      I’m not sure how true this statement is. I go to Japan every year and the child care infrastructure there is incredible.

      The healthcare is icredible - you can literally summon healthcare assistant if youe kid is sick at any point for free to your home

      Then there’s incredible public transporatiob system, parks, everything is equipped with child support and even culture heavily respects kids so they can do most things independently.

      I think they mean expensive time and desire wise and Japanese still work incredible hours many of which seem to actually negatively impact productivity. People don’t feel like such investment is worth it and tbh that could easily shift around with cultural changes but Japan is very allergic to those.

      • @Goodmorningsunshine@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        94 months ago

        This is an interesting point. So apparently the problems of having that terrible working culture are solved for (ish) to promote procreation, but it’s not helping. Gee, I wonder if possibly creating a society of miserable people and making it easier for them to create more people they presume will be miserable doesn’t work because they just don’t want to do that.

      • @Lux18@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        54 months ago

        But what about housing? If you live in a shoebox with no hope of getting a larger place, it’s unlikely that you’re gonna have kids.

        • Dr. Moose
          link
          fedilink
          English
          74 months ago

          Housing is pretty good in Japan outside of Tokyo, especially if you don’t mind a bit of a train ride

    • @Ledericas@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      174 months ago

      pretty much the same in korea, i think korea is slightly worst off, china is beginning to see its effects too, they already trying to change that by “encouraging more sex”, but they arnt solving the underlying issue, which is the one-child policy that devastated the female to male ratio and HCOL. and they also have harsh work ethic.

    • @blady_blah@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      104 months ago

      My first two kids were born in Japan, and they were actually pretty cheap. The local city gives you some money (a few thousand) when your child is born, and day care was good and super cheap, like $10 per day because it was subsidized.

      It really wasn’t very expensive.

    • @Cistello@reddthat.com
      link
      fedilink
      English
      54 months ago

      Well it does get a lot more expensive when almost everybody wants to live in the same tiny square of the country Tokyo’s population will decline in 2035 according to some estimates

      • @banazir@lemmy.ml
        link
        fedilink
        English
        44 months ago

        With Japan, they only have so much inhabitable land anyway. It’s a mountainous island where all viable land is already pretty much taken.

        • Psychadelligoat
          link
          fedilink
          English
          84 months ago

          where all viable land is already pretty much taken.

          Very much untrue, the actual issue with living away from one of the major cities is the same thing the US is dealing with: capitalism and a highway system (HSR there) encouraging suburban sprawl and the death of the small town. No need to visit 5 different shops in your small town if you’re going to pass a Donqi on your train ride into work. Then people eventually just move away from the smaller towns entirely to be closer to where the work and businesses are, and the cycle deepens

          Although yeah, Japan is about 2/3 as big as California so it’s not as big as people think on top of that