• toofpic
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      103 months ago

      Uh…I’m sorry to tell you, but republicans and Trump won. Everything that is happening right now is happening under republican rule. Sitting in your own piss abd blaming others don’t work anymore!

      • @geneva_convenience@lemmy.mlOP
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        Do you realize that Gaza has been completely flattened under Kamala Harris? Agent Orange is now bombing the ruins of Genocide Joe. Kamala would be doing the exact same thing as Donald Trump.

        • @Prunebutt@slrpnk.net
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          Kamala would be doing the exact same thing as Donald Trump.

          Correction: she would let Israel do as it pleases without officially cheering them on.

          • @Ferrous@lemmy.ml
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            Liberals will jump up and down at handwringing genocide versus full blown genocide due to this weird utilitarianism they’re clinging to as their empire crumbles.

            Biden’s constituents wanted an end to the genocide in Gaza. Biden ignored these constituents. Biden lost. That is how democracy works, and this outcome was more American than apple pie.

            Screw the liberals who say that withholding votes to pressure politicians (the entire point of a democracy) is somehow fascist.

          • @ZeroHora@lemmy.ml
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            133 months ago

            Big difference!!! We don’t need to hear what they gonna do, it’s easier to ignore when they told us nothing!

        • @5in1k@lemm.ee
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          Yes, the vice president controls the military. For sure, the military of another country. The tie vote for the senate, yeah ok.

        • toofpic
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          When was that “under Kamala”? Is it in this room with us right now?

        • @prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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          Kamala would be doing the exact same thing as Donald Trump.

          Uh huh… She would be talking about building a golf course over the ruins of Gaza? You sure about that?

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            Donald Trump says a lot of things. What he did was get them two months of relative peace. That would not have happened under Kamala, there would be no intermission to “resume” bombing from, there would just still be bombing. If Kamala wanted those voters then she should have broke from Biden’s support of Israel, which she did not do and is not how you get a ceasefire done with Israel. No, what she said is that we would have the “most lethal military” in the face of Palestinians her campaign blocked from speaking at the DNC. Biden said he had red lines, but never did anything when Israel crossed them.

            That is how democracy works, you have to earn votes. “Vote for me or else” is not a fucking popular platform for what should be very obvious reasons.

            Is it really more important to you to attack these voters and hold back the discourse, over 4 months after the election, as your government is breaking every rule in the book and your party is playing right along with it? The election result is not going to change no matter how many people you throw under the bus for it. These are the cards you were dealt, it’s time to move on and play spades.

    • @PointyReality@lemmy.world
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      Biden was pressuring Israel to act but also to do so with civilians in mind and to allow humanitarian efforts or risk getting cut off from military aid. Also the line that Kamala most probably would have towed as well. This is for those familiar with global politics is expected between long standing allies ( something Trump is currently failing at every stage currently). Meanwhile Orange Musolini has basically said “Have at it, also that spot there would be great for a hotel”. So I fail to see how you could even compare the two. But sure I guess if you happened to fail to grasp the nuance in global politics.

      Unless you happened to have another point to make that is more substantive then “bOth PaRtIeS”.

      • @Keeponstalin@lemmy.world
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        No, they didn’t apply any genuine pressure, just empty rhetoric while continuing to provide billions worth of weapons unconditionally while Netanyahu ignored every “red line” with zero consequences. Biden is a self-proclamed Zionist, he had no issue with the genocide. All the empty rhetoric was just theater

        The rhetoric coming out of the White House, when it has been focused on peace or restraint, rather than continuous war, has been undercut at every turn by its actions. The constant supply of weapons — $17.9 billion of bullets, bombs, shells, and other military aid in the past year — has allowed Israel to keep waging its war on Gaza, and in recent weeks, expand that war to Lebanon and threaten to escalate its conflict with Iran. Despite documentation of U.S. weapons being used in probable war crimes, and credible allegations that Israel is committing genocide in its war on Gaza, the bombs have continued to flow.

        Year of Empty Rhetoric From the White House on Israel’s Wars

        • @PointyReality@lemmy.world
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          Did Biden deport anyone protesting this? If the answer is no then historically speaking protests while being allowed have always been a way to apply pressure for change. I won’t argue that they definitely could have done alot more but I won’t accept that both parties are same when at least one of them would have still allowed a way to potentially have changed their stance when the other just deports them because they are fascists.

      • @UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml
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        33 months ago

        Reduce the influence of parties by passing state level electoral reform. Replace of First-past-the-post voting, use a voting system that let’s voters transfer their vote if their first pick didn’t win. Give 3rd parties the opportunity to participate without a spoiler effect.

        You do support democracy right?

    • @puchaczyk@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      Selling lgbt people, ethnic minorities, immigrants, poor people dependent on social programs only to gain… nothing. What a deal…