• JackGreenEarth
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    11 month ago

    So can I clarify that when you’re saying

    Some people take the existence of god as a brute fact

    That you mean

    Some people assume that universe was created by something

    ?

    • @Opinionhaver@feddit.uk
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      11 month ago

      Well, that’s not a direct quote from me, but yes - some people assume the universe was created by something. For some, that’s the person running the simulation; for others, it’s the biblical God as described in the Bible, or atleast their interpretation of it.

      • JackGreenEarth
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        21 month ago

        So if I’m understanding you correctly it’s not just that people believe the universe was created by something, but they have a specific idea of what that thing is - eg a conscious, powerful, morally good, knowledgeable being

          • JackGreenEarth
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            1 month ago

            Ok, now I’ve clarified what beliefs you think some people assume without evidence, I would still say that believing those things isn’t right. You should still have a good reason for believing what you believe, and taking the existence of a conscious creator as given is invalid.

            • @Opinionhaver@feddit.uk
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              11 month ago

              By “those things,” you’re referring to God or the entity running the simulation? Whether it’s a reasonable belief isn’t really relevant from the perspective of the theory itself. You’re still going to encounter people who hold such beliefs - and if you want to change their minds, the better approach is to identify and challenge their underlying beliefs, rather than the ones built on top of them.

              Belief in a God or a creator is a foundational belief - being against abortion isn’t. That view only logically follows from the prior belief.

              • JackGreenEarth
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                21 month ago

                Someone can have a fundamental belief that they shouldn’t have.

                Someone can also have a derivative belief from another derivative belief, without the prior belief having to be fundamental.

                • @Opinionhaver@feddit.uk
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                  130 days ago

                  Whether they should or shouldn’t hold those beliefs is not an objective fact but a value judgment on your part - and either way, it’s entirely unrelated to what I was saying.