You’re confusing cause and effect; democrats need to promise policy that improves people’s material conditions if they want people to vote for them, and use every single power at their disposal to prevent further harm until then to prove they will do as they say if they win. Nobody is going to vote for a party that they dont believe will help them.
You cant win while telling your own base “eat shit, what are you gonna do, not vote?”
There is also the fact that democrats lost in 2024, and 2016, and the way the dems lost the house and senate in 2010 after bailing out the banks for stealing people’s houses and giving the health insurance companies subsidies instead of giving us healthcare. Turns out when you do the opposite of what your base wants, fewer people vote.
There is also the fact that all independents lost in [every year] and the way the inds lost the house and senate in [every year] while taking votes away from those who had any chance of not bailing out the banks for stealing people’s houses and giving the health insurance companies subsidies instead of giving us healthcare. Turns out when you withhold your vote from the only people remotely on your side who have a shred of a chance to win, fewer of your policy goals are ever implemented.
The only way the dems can win is if they implement overwhelmingly popular left policy such as free healthcare, and fight the republicans using every tool at their disposal.
The only time we have seen dems accede to popular demand is when Biden had a less than 5% chance at winning.
Do you see where I’m going with this? Voting blue no matter who lets the DNC delude themselves into thinking they can win while running on dogshit policy. If we tell the dems the only way we will vote for them is if they do the thing they need to do to win anyway, they might actually do the things they need to do to win.
This thought process relies on an assumption that Americans are progressive in general. Which time and again, everywhere we look, that is just plain not something we see.
You don’t need to be progressive to understand “free healthcare”, and “free healthcare” polls better than “subsidies for insurance companies”. “Free college” polls better than “means-tested forgiveness for STEM grads who operate a business in an underserved neighborhood for 5 years”. The great thing about left policy is that you don’t need to trick people or gauge people’s political positions and try to match them against a 5 dimensional chart, you’re simply using the tools available to improve people’s material conditions and people will vote for it because the alternative is immediately worsening conditions. Look at europe, public healthcare is so popular even the conservatives need to pretend to support it.
I wish you were right. America is VERY different from Europe though. Republicans don’t even pretend to support any of this – not sure where you got that.
“A healthcare plan is coming” and never present it is nowhere near “We’re going to give you free healthcare”. If they said that, most of their base would not vote.
In fact, you might argue a factor that re-elected Obama was that Romney was a candidate that had introduced something like Obamacare in MA. A ton of Republicans hated him specifically for that.
You don’t need to be progressive to understand “free healthcare”, and “free healthcare” polls better than “subsidies for insurance companies”. “Free college” polls better than “means-tested forgiveness for STEM grads who operate a business in an underserved neighborhood for 5 years”. The great thing about left policy is that you don’t need to trick people or gauge people’s political positions and try to match them against a 5 dimensional chart, you’re simply using the tools available to improve people’s material conditions and people will vote for it because the alternative is immediately worsening conditions. Look at europe, public healthcare is so popular even the conservatives need to pretend to support it.
Of course it did. Nothing was stopping you from voting to reduce harm. You were not destined by the stars to wield your privilege to hurt minorities while pretending that made you a hero.
i’m pretty sure they’ve already learned that leftists can’t for the life of them accept anything that’s short of perfect, and that’s why they are pandering to centrists and right-wingers.
With dems in power it would then be much easier to shift towards the left, but noooo we cant do that, let’s get Mr. Taco Donald Trump on the case, i’m sure he will do better.
Do you really think republicans all like trump?
there’s gonna be extermists that want every single black person out of the usa, and there’s bigots who only want trans people out of sports (note: i do not support nor agree with those sentiments, but they do exist.)
What they do have, unlike you all apparently, is common sense to see that if they don’t unite, they won’t win
and would you look at that, republican turnout was almost the same as 2020 but masses of left-leaning people decided to be whimps and give their vote to the popular decision (because remember, not voting does not exist, it’s a vote for the other side.)
“Please stop bombing children”, “How about we don’t back a genocide”, “Maybe illness shouldn’t put you into bankruptcy”, “Police shouldn’t be able to assault and murder innocent people”
I feel like these are reasonable requests, and quite different than “short of perfect”
Maybe if the Democrats fought for those values, instead of against them, then they would gain leftist support.
Can we stop pretending that withholding a Democratic vote will make any positive difference?
Can we stop pretending that Democrats win any way besides getting votes?
Can we stop pretending history shows anything besides you being wrong here?
You’re confusing cause and effect; democrats need to promise policy that improves people’s material conditions if they want people to vote for them, and use every single power at their disposal to prevent further harm until then to prove they will do as they say if they win. Nobody is going to vote for a party that they dont believe will help them.
You cant win while telling your own base “eat shit, what are you gonna do, not vote?”
The only thing that tells you that is a common sense analysis of the situation
There is also the fact that democrats lost in 2024, and 2016, and the way the dems lost the house and senate in 2010 after bailing out the banks for stealing people’s houses and giving the health insurance companies subsidies instead of giving us healthcare. Turns out when you do the opposite of what your base wants, fewer people vote.
There is also the fact that all independents lost in [every year] and the way the inds lost the house and senate in [every year] while taking votes away from those who had any chance of not bailing out the banks for stealing people’s houses and giving the health insurance companies subsidies instead of giving us healthcare. Turns out when you withhold your vote from the only people remotely on your side who have a shred of a chance to win, fewer of your policy goals are ever implemented.
The only way the dems can win is if they implement overwhelmingly popular left policy such as free healthcare, and fight the republicans using every tool at their disposal.
The only time we have seen dems accede to popular demand is when Biden had a less than 5% chance at winning.
Do you see where I’m going with this? Voting blue no matter who lets the DNC delude themselves into thinking they can win while running on dogshit policy. If we tell the dems the only way we will vote for them is if they do the thing they need to do to win anyway, they might actually do the things they need to do to win.
This thought process relies on an assumption that Americans are progressive in general. Which time and again, everywhere we look, that is just plain not something we see.
You don’t need to be progressive to understand “free healthcare”, and “free healthcare” polls better than “subsidies for insurance companies”. “Free college” polls better than “means-tested forgiveness for STEM grads who operate a business in an underserved neighborhood for 5 years”. The great thing about left policy is that you don’t need to trick people or gauge people’s political positions and try to match them against a 5 dimensional chart, you’re simply using the tools available to improve people’s material conditions and people will vote for it because the alternative is immediately worsening conditions. Look at europe, public healthcare is so popular even the conservatives need to pretend to support it.
I wish you were right. America is VERY different from Europe though. Republicans don’t even pretend to support any of this – not sure where you got that.
“A healthcare plan is coming” and never present it is nowhere near “We’re going to give you free healthcare”. If they said that, most of their base would not vote.
In fact, you might argue a factor that re-elected Obama was that Romney was a candidate that had introduced something like Obamacare in MA. A ton of Republicans hated him specifically for that.
You don’t need to be progressive to understand “free healthcare”, and “free healthcare” polls better than “subsidies for insurance companies”. “Free college” polls better than “means-tested forgiveness for STEM grads who operate a business in an underserved neighborhood for 5 years”. The great thing about left policy is that you don’t need to trick people or gauge people’s political positions and try to match them against a 5 dimensional chart, you’re simply using the tools available to improve people’s material conditions and people will vote for it because the alternative is immediately worsening conditions. Look at europe, public healthcare is so popular even the conservatives need to pretend to support it.
that didn’t happen.
Of course it did. Nothing was stopping you from voting to reduce harm. You were not destined by the stars to wield your privilege to hurt minorities while pretending that made you a hero.
So you know they won’t learn, but want people to vote for them anyway? Fucking idiot you are
i’m pretty sure they’ve already learned that leftists can’t for the life of them accept anything that’s short of perfect, and that’s why they are pandering to centrists and right-wingers. With dems in power it would then be much easier to shift towards the left, but noooo we cant do that, let’s get Mr. Taco Donald Trump on the case, i’m sure he will do better.
Do you really think republicans all like trump?
there’s gonna be extermists that want every single black person out of the usa, and there’s bigots who only want trans people out of sports (note: i do not support nor agree with those sentiments, but they do exist.) What they do have, unlike you all apparently, is common sense to see that if they don’t unite, they won’t win
and would you look at that, republican turnout was almost the same as 2020 but masses of left-leaning people decided to be whimps and give their vote to the popular decision (because remember, not voting does not exist, it’s a vote for the other side.)
and now we are stuck with trump.
“Please stop bombing children”, “How about we don’t back a genocide”, “Maybe illness shouldn’t put you into bankruptcy”, “Police shouldn’t be able to assault and murder innocent people”
I feel like these are reasonable requests, and quite different than “short of perfect”
Maybe if the Democrats fought for those values, instead of against them, then they would gain leftist support.
your response is a perfect example of why they are focusing on centrists and right wingers
Because I want them to stop bombing children? Yeah, I know. They’d rather keep doing that, than try to appeal to me as a voter.
Yes it is, but not in the way you think.
this is a lie