I’m a devout believer in voting blue no matter who until there is a better alternative. Again, when we have a viable alternative, I’m 100% for it. You seem to be of the opinion that idealism is better than efficacy, and that we should ignore the very real threat of actual fascism in favor of cosplaying rebellion with no actual plan.
Blue no matter who has always been a temporary treatment, and the longer people like you keep insisting on disorganized, ineffective idealism instead of actual plans of action, the worse our material conditions are going to get, and the harder it will be to actually implement a plan when one is finally presented.
As an adult with functional critical thinking skills, I am going to continue advocating harm reduction, and pointing out the counter productivity of blindly protesting the lesser even before bothering to construct the non-evil alternative, until you idealist cosplayers get your act together and actually organize. Plan first, then act.
I’m a devout believer in voting blue no matter who until there is a better alternative.
The problem, fundamentally, is that you have no plan (and actively opposed plans) to make an alternative come into reality. Because you are a liberal who supports what we already have. Where there’s a will, there’s a way, but when there isn’t a will, there certainly isn’t a way - this is why you cannot find any alternative to voting blue no matter who unconditionally, forever (no matter how much you try to weasel that you don’t), because you don’t actually want to find an alternative, because you’re not in the market for one at all.
But, as a liberal, you can’t actually stand for anything, even liberalism. You exaxtly fit MLK’s description of the white moderate who is always saying, “I agree with your goals but I disagree with your methods” and is always telling people to “wait for a more convenient time.” We’ve been through this and I will not entertain your pretenses of being any sort of leftist.
Nope. I can remember you now, the moment someone on the left criticizes your deeply flawed attempt at praxis, you turn into the sincerity police and declare them to be liberals. This is extremely transparent
The problem, fundamentally, is that you have no plan (and actively opposed plans) to make an alternative come into reality.
False. I am actively opposed to bad plans. I care more about actually securing a leftist government than about virtue signaling to online revolutionary cosplayers, which means I focus more on material solutions than lofty ideology.
Because you are a liberal who supports what we already have.
False, I’m simply aware of what we already have, and which actions are incapable of changing it.
Where there’s a will, there’s a way, but when there isn’t a will, there certainly isn’t a way
Precisely my point. The American people lack the will. Maybe that will change, but for now that is the case.
this is why you cannot find any alternative to voting blue no matter who unconditionally, forever (no matter how much you try to weasel that you don’t), because you don’t actually want to find an alternative, because you’re not in the market for one at all.
Once again, false. But again, I’m not in the market for ineffective virtue signal “alternatives” like protest voting third party in the general election. I’m in the market for effective alternatives, like democratizing workplaces and building grassroots campaigns in local elections so that one day we can have a viable leftist candidate in the general election.
You exaxtly fit MLK’s description of the white moderate who is always saying, “I agree with your goals but I disagree with your methods” and is always telling people to “wait for a more convenient time.” We’ve been through this and I will not entertain your pretenses of being any sort of leftist.
Which would have come close to an interesting point if your methods worked. But they don’t. It’s not liberalism to reject counterproductive methods. I don’t consider anyone who abandons the material dialectic for ideological grandstanding to be a leftist. You are a cosplayer with a romanticized vision of revolution, and none of the tact or organization so essentially necessary to enact that revolution.
Which is why I came to a hostile community to criticize ineffective ideological purity and get called a liberal? Who exactly am I signaling virtue to here?
Did you not? Was that effective at accomplishing your policy goals? Did the party realize the error of their ways and shift radically left? Oh, they’re already floating running Harris again? Huh.
I’m a devout believer in voting blue no matter who until there is a better alternative. Again, when we have a viable alternative, I’m 100% for it. You seem to be of the opinion that idealism is better than efficacy, and that we should ignore the very real threat of actual fascism in favor of cosplaying rebellion with no actual plan.
Blue no matter who has always been a temporary treatment, and the longer people like you keep insisting on disorganized, ineffective idealism instead of actual plans of action, the worse our material conditions are going to get, and the harder it will be to actually implement a plan when one is finally presented.
As an adult with functional critical thinking skills, I am going to continue advocating harm reduction, and pointing out the counter productivity of blindly protesting the lesser even before bothering to construct the non-evil alternative, until you idealist cosplayers get your act together and actually organize. Plan first, then act.
The problem, fundamentally, is that you have no plan (and actively opposed plans) to make an alternative come into reality. Because you are a liberal who supports what we already have. Where there’s a will, there’s a way, but when there isn’t a will, there certainly isn’t a way - this is why you cannot find any alternative to voting blue no matter who unconditionally, forever (no matter how much you try to weasel that you don’t), because you don’t actually want to find an alternative, because you’re not in the market for one at all.
But, as a liberal, you can’t actually stand for anything, even liberalism. You exaxtly fit MLK’s description of the white moderate who is always saying, “I agree with your goals but I disagree with your methods” and is always telling people to “wait for a more convenient time.” We’ve been through this and I will not entertain your pretenses of being any sort of leftist.
Nope. I can remember you now, the moment someone on the left criticizes your deeply flawed attempt at praxis, you turn into the sincerity police and declare them to be liberals. This is extremely transparent
False. I am actively opposed to bad plans. I care more about actually securing a leftist government than about virtue signaling to online revolutionary cosplayers, which means I focus more on material solutions than lofty ideology.
False, I’m simply aware of what we already have, and which actions are incapable of changing it.
Precisely my point. The American people lack the will. Maybe that will change, but for now that is the case.
Once again, false. But again, I’m not in the market for ineffective virtue signal “alternatives” like protest voting third party in the general election. I’m in the market for effective alternatives, like democratizing workplaces and building grassroots campaigns in local elections so that one day we can have a viable leftist candidate in the general election.
Which would have come close to an interesting point if your methods worked. But they don’t. It’s not liberalism to reject counterproductive methods. I don’t consider anyone who abandons the material dialectic for ideological grandstanding to be a leftist. You are a cosplayer with a romanticized vision of revolution, and none of the tact or organization so essentially necessary to enact that revolution.
methinks thou doth protest too much
Which is why I came to a hostile community to criticize ineffective ideological purity and get called a liberal? Who exactly am I signaling virtue to here?
voting democrat is an ineffective virtue signal.
How could you possibly come to that conclusion? How is that a virtue signal?
did you vote for Democrats? was it effective?
ipso facto
Did you not? Was that effective at accomplishing your policy goals? Did the party realize the error of their ways and shift radically left? Oh, they’re already floating running Harris again? Huh.