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@jackeroni@lemmy.ml to Memes@lemmy.ml • 1 day ago

It's even infecting the wider lemmy network!

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It's even infecting the wider lemmy network!

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  • @ter_maxima@jlai.lu
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    0•19 hours ago

    Bold of you to assume I am American, did you not check the instance I am from ?

    Yes, there are many lies about China, but don’t get stuck in second opinion syndrome. China is both worse and better than you know.

    The fact the government lies about China, while China is still bad behind the scenes, can both be true. During the cold war, both sides accused the other of being evil, and both were right.

    Don’t let anyone who puts a “communist” sticker on their own forehead fool you into supporting them.

    • Dessalines
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      The fact the government lies about China, while China is still bad behind the scenes, can both be true.

      This is just vague-posting unless you actually link some credible china-bad studies that aren’t sourced from British or US state media.

      • @ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml
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        some credible china-bad studies that aren’t sourced from British or US state media.

        University of Limpopo, South Africa, on China neocolonising Africa - https://www.jstor.org/stable/27159668. Is that credible enough for you?

        If not, is there a source that you would call credible - and if it exists, what is it?

        Note: I hope I don’t come as aggressive, I was trying to be succinct.

        • Dessalines
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          I can’t read that as it’s paywalled. Anyway here’s a lot of links about this topic, several from African leaders and diplomats on the difference between Chinese trade and development in Africa and actual imperialism as practiced by western countries:

          • Debunking the claim that “China is Imperialist”
          • The demeanor of Chinese leaders (Xi Jinping) vs Western leaders (Nancy Pelosi) towards African nations. One of the reasons why African nations favor China instead of the West. Full video here
          • An African leader on the hypocrisy of those saying China is imperialist.
          • China africa panel: if you want actual infrastructure, you go to China, not the west.
          • Is China really imperialist? What’s the difference between what Europe did to Africa, and what China is doing?
          • Five imperialist myths about China’s role in Africa.
          • Evo Morales - Why China and Russia aren’t imperialist, but the US is.
          • US air force veteran Bill Brown breaks down the history of anti-chinese propaganda, and why China is not colonialist like the west.
          • Yanis Varoufakis on China’s foreign policy dealings with Greece and Africa.
          • Vijay Prashad and Qiao Collective - Is China imperializing Africa?
          • Danny Haiphong from BlackAgenaReport interview with Anya Parampil from thegrayzone: on the new cold war, and a myriad of lies about China.
          • The Belt and Road Initiative: the antithesis of Colonialism.
          • The war on China : and geopolitical significance of the belt and road initiative.
          • China has forgiven over $10B in debt, over half to Cuba, but also including > 20 African nations, Pakistan, and Cambodia.
          • After covid, China suspends debt repayment for 77 countries, promises > $2B USD and medical supplies as aid to help developing countries fight covid.
          • President Xi pledges coronavirus vaccine to Africa first, helps fund African CDC headquarters.
          • The chinese debt trap is a myth.
          • China writes off $6M in debt to rwanda, provides another $60M in grants.
          • China forgives over $78M in Cameroon debt.
          • China writes off $36m Mozambican debt.
          • China writes off substantial amount of Angola debt.
          • After a group of Guangdong landlords evicted a group of Africans, the CPC arrested them, apologized to the African Union, paid for hotels for the migrants, passed a series of anti-discrimination laws, and spent weeks going to all the restaurants, landlords, and taxis to warn them of the law.
          • Nato’s new enemy: the CPC.
          • The western media’s China hysteria.
          • @ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml
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            It’s not paywalled. I think you didn’t even bother to click “read full article” or whatever the button name is. They might ask you to register witb a free account.

            If you want to use other people opinions as an argument, I’m going to ask you for what you asked for - studies. Preferably published in journals, not essays by socials celebrities like Caitlin Johnstone, nor articles in Chinese newspapers, nor Reddit. And that’s because a deluge of weak sources is worthless - that’s how US propaganda works and enforces itself.

            Extra points if the studies are not from China or it’s close Allies, just so that you have exactly the same requirements as the ones you asked for.

            Can be paywalled.

            Edit: I highly recommend you read https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop

      • @ter_maxima@jlai.lu
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        This person wouldn’t believe the sky was blue unless you linked a study proving it.

        The Huyghur genocide. Not recognizing the independence of Taiwan. The entire way their “democracy” functions. The lasting damage the “one child policy” has done to their demographics (by their own reporting, not the wild exaggerations of the West)

        You don’t need to pick between the sides you’re being offered today, don’t fall for this false choice fallacy. Freedom isn’t choosing the correct master to serve.

        If you disagree, I invite you to go to Tiananmen square wearing a Winnie the Pooh T-shirt and see what happens.

        • Dessalines
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          8•17 hours ago

          Holy mother of racism batman

          • @Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            I know the mod erased it, but could you hint at the inappropriate post’s content?

            • @Thebigguy@lemmy.ml
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              You can check their mod comment history

              • @TheDoozer@lemmy.world
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                I’m on Voyager. How do I do that?

      • @rottingleaf@lemmy.world
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        Something like a one-party political system with dear respected leader, concentration camps, surveillance, social rating system, GFW?

        Note how I don’t say anything about propaganda from every crack. That’s because western propaganda has successfully evolved in the conditions of outright censorship not being allowed. Like killing cockroaches in a building again and again you make them evolve for the poisons used in the past.

        If you are going to pick the “all this is not credible” line, then don’t bother. Also credible is a synonym for “believable”, and nobody can make you believe things you don’t want to believe.

        • @Thebigguy@lemmy.ml
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          The USA is a one party system in many ways so is the EU when it comes to imperialist and neoliberal policies every single party is on board doesn’t matter who you vote for.

        • @BrainInABox@lemmy.ml
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          14•17 hours ago

          Can you name a single piece of anti-China propaganda from the West that you don’t accept unquestioningly?

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