(As a general concept of how a society should run, not intended as a US-specific question.)

I sometimes see people on the internet saying that giving people easy access to guns is too risky and there should be stricter gun control, while simultaneously wanting to abolish the police? I’m just confused on what people really want?

You cant both abolish the police and then also disarm the citizens, gotta pick one. So which is it, internet? Self-policing with guns? Or reform the police?

[Please state what country you’re in]

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(Also its funny how the far-right of the US is both pro-gun and pro-police, I’m confused by that as well)

  • @bigkahuna1986@lemmy.ml
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    I’m going throw something out there. Should people who own firearms be required to have some kind of insurance (like car or home owners) on case of accidents or theft? Also I’m in the Pacific Northwest of the United States.

    • @Postmortal_Pop@lemmy.world
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      Personally I wholly believe that gun owners should be held as accomplice to any crimes committed with their stolen firearms if it was acquired through negligence.

      Edit to say I’m a gun owner.

      • @Cptn_Slow@lemmy.world
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        921 hours ago

        So a friend borrows your car, and runs someone over, do you feel the same way?

        Or if someone steals a hammer out of your toolbox and beats someone to death?

        I understand, and I’m all for responsible gun ownership, but what you’re saying would be hard to prove and easy to use as a weapon against certain people.

        • @Postmortal_Pop@lemmy.world
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          Short answer is yes. If I made the decision to loan my car to someone and they intentionally committed a crime with it, I think I should be investigated for my involvement. If it turns out I had no reason to suspect this was going on, cool. If it turns out this was a problem waiting to happen, then I’m responsible for my role in it.

          Now the hammer is a bit of a mess, because it is not difficult to acquire a hammer so you would have a hard time saying the crime couldn’t have been committed if not for my specific hammer.

      • @DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.worksOP
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        422 hours ago

        What if you have a safe and the thief is a locksmith and stole your gun?

        I mean I think by this logic, people who don’t lock their car doors and the car gets stolen/carjacked, the car owner would face the consequences of whatever the thieves used it for?

        (Genuinely asking)

        • @Postmortal_Pop@lemmy.world
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          1421 hours ago

          It’s right there in the comment. You took the effort to store your guns in the manner required by the law and they got stolen by someone with markedly more skill than average. You’re not to blame. Now if you leave your gun in your toolbox in the back of your truck or casually on your night stand, there’s a problem and it isn’t the skill level of burglars.

    • @Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org
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      Should people who own firearms be required to have some kind of insurance

      Yes, if you

      1. allow poor people to have them, or

      2. if you allow stupid people to have them, or

      3. if you allow people who sometimes make mistakes to have them