No, not really. I’m saying that if there’s zero effect for the would-be victim, I can’t see them being wronged. I think time freeze is probably not the right scenario for this though. They’d be physically affected. Copying them in an simulation type thing is more along the lines of what I’d consider harmless.
Unfortunately for me, I feel like if I thought I could get away with something consequences free, I’d probably do it. I’m not proud of that aspect of my morality, but I’d be lying if I denied it.
That said, I remind myself that if I’m too ashamed to do it under the scrutiny of people, then it is 100% not something I’m doing. That goes for simulations as well. Because there is always a chance someone will find out… and frankly, I don’t think I could live with myself.
Well thank you for that assurance. It’s a scary thing to admit to, especially when you see people around you who seemingly do not struggle with this sort of thing. The whole, “I don’t need a book/law to tell me what’s right or wrong,” are lucky in that respect.
Nah, people will judge you for totally harmless shit. Their judgement doesn’t mean you’re wrong. People hide their gayness or niche religions under the everything of people and they should not have to.
Who said anything about rape? Also clearly you can figure out morality without it being external judgement. You’re coming at me with a chip on your shoulder.
I do get you’re trying to get at consent is key, but your argument is flawed in that using a simulated copy to insult one’s mom still brings a real person into it
Use a digital copy of me to hurt people, yeah I’d be upset
Use a digital copy of me as a sex toy? I’d be fine with that
Installing hidden cameras in a public toilet is harmless by that definition as long as they never get discovered, but would still be highly immoral. I don’t think you’ve thought this through. People’s right to decide what happens to their body extends to things like who can see it rather than just who can physically touch it.
Religious people all think there’s a god watching them 24/7 and seem fine with that. Those same religious people didn’t seem to think I should get to decide to keep my foreskin.
The thing about the bathroom camera is that it’s like content piracy, and I personally don’t really care to engage in business of that nature. If you’re selling it, I don’t want it. I’m not more likely to pay just because I didn’t get it for free.
I’m more concerned about the nature of law and enforcement in relation to this kind of privacy breaches. The law can and will act on shit, and they need to be as restrained as we can get them. I’m never worried about embarrassing myself around a rational thinker. I’m worried of embarrassing myself around irrational judgement from people who will hurt me or make my life worse. The only real situation where I’m not worried about being watched is by people who straight up cannot do anything with what they see. No talking, no sharing, etc… I don’t wanna hear distant snickers from people who know what I’ve put in my butt.
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No, not really. I’m saying that if there’s zero effect for the would-be victim, I can’t see them being wronged. I think time freeze is probably not the right scenario for this though. They’d be physically affected. Copying them in an simulation type thing is more along the lines of what I’d consider harmless.
Unfortunately for me, I feel like if I thought I could get away with something consequences free, I’d probably do it. I’m not proud of that aspect of my morality, but I’d be lying if I denied it.
That said, I remind myself that if I’m too ashamed to do it under the scrutiny of people, then it is 100% not something I’m doing. That goes for simulations as well. Because there is always a chance someone will find out… and frankly, I don’t think I could live with myself.
Right or wrong, that’s my take on it.
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Well thank you for that assurance. It’s a scary thing to admit to, especially when you see people around you who seemingly do not struggle with this sort of thing. The whole, “I don’t need a book/law to tell me what’s right or wrong,” are lucky in that respect.
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Why should I put aside my feelings to protect someone else’s feelings who aren’t even gonna feel them for not knowing?
I mean, I could see doing stuff like stealing an awful lot of money from large multinational corporations.
Stockpiling gold, jewelry, and valuables from predatory pawn shops and stuff like that.
I wouldn’t have a lot of personal grief over the theft of property but I would have to draw the line where it comes to interfering with people.
I wouldn’t use time stopping powers to rape anyone or to kill my enemies or anything like that.
Might take a few politicians and like royally fuck with them until they are so unsettled that they can’t function in society anymore though.
Nah, people will judge you for totally harmless shit. Their judgement doesn’t mean you’re wrong. People hide their gayness or niche religions under the everything of people and they should not have to.
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Who said anything about rape? Also clearly you can figure out morality without it being external judgement. You’re coming at me with a chip on your shoulder.
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So debate it.
An it harm none, do what ye will. Every day bullshit harms me dramatically more than any dude privately jerking it to me.
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I do get you’re trying to get at consent is key, but your argument is flawed in that using a simulated copy to insult one’s mom still brings a real person into it
Use a digital copy of me to hurt people, yeah I’d be upset
Use a digital copy of me as a sex toy? I’d be fine with that
Never use the word problematic again.
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I’m a man, baby. But fragile is correct. Aren’t we all?
Installing hidden cameras in a public toilet is harmless by that definition as long as they never get discovered, but would still be highly immoral. I don’t think you’ve thought this through. People’s right to decide what happens to their body extends to things like who can see it rather than just who can physically touch it.
Religious people all think there’s a god watching them 24/7 and seem fine with that. Those same religious people didn’t seem to think I should get to decide to keep my foreskin.
The thing about the bathroom camera is that it’s like content piracy, and I personally don’t really care to engage in business of that nature. If you’re selling it, I don’t want it. I’m not more likely to pay just because I didn’t get it for free.
I’m more concerned about the nature of law and enforcement in relation to this kind of privacy breaches. The law can and will act on shit, and they need to be as restrained as we can get them. I’m never worried about embarrassing myself around a rational thinker. I’m worried of embarrassing myself around irrational judgement from people who will hurt me or make my life worse. The only real situation where I’m not worried about being watched is by people who straight up cannot do anything with what they see. No talking, no sharing, etc… I don’t wanna hear distant snickers from people who know what I’ve put in my butt.
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What’s that?
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Noooooo, the consciousness is the morality anchor! We don’t fuck with that!
I’m just talking about physical stuff.
Edit: I REALLY gotta get back into watching black mirror though.
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