Hi

I am looking for projects of links agregators or micro blogs, that don’t rely on centralized servers and especially no mods. I’ve had it with mod’s power trips. and how personal biases affect heavy moderation.

I want to try something with no governance, maybe p2p, and with better transparency than lemmy.

  • Dr. Jenkem
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    2811 months ago

    I’m not sure, but in my opinion, moderation is necessary. Any network without moderation will be flooded with Nazis and pedophiles. I don’t think you’ll have a good time.

    • @anticurrent@sh.itjust.worksOP
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      At this point I am disappointed with every other internet model that came out so far. and I don’t think that moderation has been a good addition, I can see the need for it if you are building a community around your own persona, like a streamer or influencer fandom. but for things like politcs and economies and stuff it just turns into echo chambers.

      • Dr. Jenkem
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        1211 months ago

        Sure but without moderation you’re left with a Nazi echo-chamber. When there’s no mechanism to kick out the Nazis, most normal people will leave over time. A platform that allows Nazis just becomes a Nazi platform.

          • Dr. Jenkem
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            811 months ago

            Yeah, I think the amount of non-fascist people has gone down since Musk bought Twitter. I anticipate it will continue with that trend. The process is not instant, especially when the platform is as pervasive as Twitter. But I think Twitter is a good demonstration of why moderation is a good thing.

            And yeah, moderation is often not implemented in a perfect way. But I think Lemmy’s transparency (mod logs) approach is an improvement over traditional moderation.

    • @anticurrent@sh.itjust.worksOP
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      -911 months ago

      No this federation experiment is at the end for me.

      I don’t believe in the federation model anymore. I was looking for a p2p protocol like a big bitorrent swarm, something more decentralized where no one has power over the discussions. I want to filter the content I want to consume. I dont’t need someone else to decide what I should or should not read. I was hoping for an open network where every node have the same leverage and you only mod your own feed.

        • @anticurrent@sh.itjust.worksOP
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          11 months ago

          No I want people to be able to block my post just as I can block other people’s posts, but I don’t need a moderator to block either my posts or other people’s posts to be seen by everybody else engaging in that discussion, thread, theme, hashtag, what ever you name it.

          When blocking is done at an individual level it doesn’t silence or shutdown views or ideas from the discussions, every individual is free to not engage with people or ideas they don’t agree with, but they shouldn’t have the power to block those ideas for everybody else.

            • @anticurrent@sh.itjust.worksOP
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              -211 months ago

              You kinda intentionally ignoring my point, I was asking for suggestion of different models, even different protocols if they exist. not instance - community - moderation based ones.

              • @xmunk@sh.itjust.works
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                But you could accomplish your goal by just starting your own instance and then refusing to moderate content on it - sure, yourinstance/c/news might not get as much activity (or maybe it will take off) but you can’t force people who prefer to have moderation to play in your sandbox. You don’t need a new technology, lemmy can do what you want just fine - you can even refuse federation!

                Give it a shot, try running an instance and see the difficulties in dealing with open nazis and bots.

          • @WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works
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            211 months ago

            I don’t think that’s feasible for anyone. Pretty soon your and every other user would be flooded with unwanted content, which will take time off all users individually to filter out. What this will result in is filterlists being made by community members, which the clients will use, some by default so that the system remains usable even for new users.

            I don’t see how that would make a meaningful difference.
            I mean sure, technically now it’s you who’s filtering, but is it really you if 1. the filterlists are maintained by a 3rd party and 2. you don’t have the capacity to audit all changes to the filterlists?

  • @P00ptart@lemmy.world
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    411 months ago

    Sounds an awful lot like you’re trying to find illegal shit and have plausible deniability that “that’s not what I was looking for, officer! I swear! Someone just posted it on their own!”

    • @anticurrent@sh.itjust.worksOP
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      You can’t escape moderation and censorship in lemmy. If a moderator of a certain big community has a certain heavy bias towards a subject and moderates accordingly. you are just bared from such discussions. communities suffer from the same network effects as social media do. I can take heat and shitty people but I can’t stand silencing.

      I might check nostr. is it app relient ??

        • @anticurrent@sh.itjust.worksOP
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          011 months ago

          Do you need to pay for those relays, or register with those relays like you to on lemmy to be able to post ?

          can you move your account from one relay to another ?

          Are ther modded communities or subreddits like they are on lemmy ?

          Do you need an app to be constantly connected in the background like briar messenger or all content is hosted on the relays?

  • @ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    Sorry, not gonna get much help here, people here like censorship and mods banning trans people for “leaking conversations.” Free speech is generally seen as being for Nazis, despite the nazis actually hating free speech just as much as they do but for different reasons.

    Basically your only option is imageboards like 4chan and 8kun (or whatever 8chan rebranded to.) 420chan is dead, so is 7chan iirc, and 2chan is still Japanese.

    Or I guess there’s always good ol’ usenet.