Numerous Tesla owners say they’ve been trapped inside their EVs after they lost power.::Numerous Tesla owners say they have been trapped inside their EVs after they lost power.Teslas come with manual door releases, but they can be hard to find
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I am flabbergasted about how little some people know about cars.
In a discussion about a potentially mandatory hardware cutoff button for EVs after the accident in China:
- But that’s just an electric button! What is a button good for if the electronics fail?
Do you know what a hardware cutoff does?
- Could I press it accidentally?
Such button would be mounted somewhere you can see and easily reach but normally don’t have hands there, like the dashboard.
- What if I’m going 80 mph on a highway and the cutoff somehow activates?
Did you realize that you don’t actually stop dead when the motor is disconnected? You will start coasting, gradually slowing down (unless it’s downhill) and come to a halt in about a minute.
However, the software (or hardware, if the manufacturer is actually safety aware) will “notice” the cutoff and turn on brake lights (& hazards if they are separate), and inform you that you need to pull the button back up to reconnect the contacts. If you realize your mistake immediately, you can revert it in less time than it takes beginners to shift gears on some old cars (which is also a time when the motor is not engaged).- But how do I stop a rogue car if the button actually does not do it by itself?
Slamming the brakes all the way should mechanically engage the brake pads regardless of whether the electronics works. If not, the car is not road legal.
- Cars did not use to have this!
Do you know what the ignition key does? It physically prevents the motor from firing any further if it is pulled.
Stop complaining about mechanical overrides to electronic systems! Any software engineer will tell you that they’ll happily be able to pull the plug if their computer tries to kill them!
The brakes in a Tesla are move powerful than the motors. If the guy in China had actually been hitting the brakes, the car could have never reached 150kmh. The chance of a simultaneous failure of the mechanical brakes, the electrical interlocks and the drive software is FAR less likely than the chance the driver was pushing the wrong peddle.
The brakes in a Tesla are move powerful than the motors.
Maybe if you combine e-brakes and brake pads, I guess? Anyway, I agree that at >100 km/h, the brake pads should easily overpower the motor.
And aircraft have manual overrides. Moving the yoke will disconnect the autopilot, circuit breakers can be pulled to disconnect systems, landing gear can drop via gravity, etc.
i hear that numerous tesla owners say they’ve been trapped inside their EVs after they lost power
i’ve also heard that numerous tesla owners say they’ve been trapped inside their EVs after they lost power
that, on top of the news that numerous tesla owners say they’ve been trapped inside their EVs after they lost power makes me realize we may be facing a horrifying truth: that numerous tesla owners are being trapped inside their EVs after they lost power
Did you hear that numerous Tesla owners say they’ve been trapped inside their EVs after they lost power?
Hold on, are you saying that numerous Tesla owners say they’ve been trapped inside their EVs after they lost power? I ask because I heard that numerous Tesla owners say they’ve been trapped inside their EVs after they lost power. Did you also hear that numerous Tesla owners say they’ve been trapped inside their EVs after they lost power?
This reminds me of the reports I’ve heard about numerous tesla owners being trapped inside their EVs after they lost power.
https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_au/GUID-7A32EC01-A17E-42CC-A15B-2E0A39FD07AB.html
Really doesn’t look that hard to find… and who the fuck is getting into any car without knowing how to open it in case of an emergency lol.
Pretty stupid that there’s only a manual open for the front doors though, at least on the model 3.
and who the fuck is getting into any car without knowing how to open it in case of an emergency lol.
I think most people assume car doors all operate reasonably similarly. I don’t necessarily specifically check “how to open the door if I need to” when getting into a rental, an Uber, or a friend’s new car.
The emergency release on a Tesla is in the normal spot for a door handle. People trapped just assume there isn’t a release and don’t look for one.
Did you look at the link posted? I’ve never seen a door handle like that, and I’m not even sure I would realize it was a lever if I saw it. It looks like a static part of the door to me.
I do agree that I’d probably end up pulling on it after some searching, but it wouldn’t be the first place I’d go.
You’re getting into a car with an electronic door button, you probably shouldn’t assume it’s the same as every other car door.
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Counter argument, what kind of absolute dipshit gets into a car with a fucking electronic door button and doesn’t look for a manual alternative?
Nobody’s saying Tesla doors are fucking well designed, but you would have to he an absolute fucking brick of a human being to get “trapped” in one.
Why would you assume pulling up on the inner part of the door is easy to find? It looks dumb as fuck and I would not think to try pulling that part
I can’t believe there isn’t a manual unlock for the back doors. They shouldn’t be road legal to lack that safety feature.
They could have at least put a label or symbol on it. I can totally understand if someone was looking for the emergency door handle and didn’t see it because it blends in. If the normal handle is marked it’s not unreasonable to presume the emergency handle would be too.
I was riding in the front of my old boss’ model 3 and immediately just used the emergency unlock rather than the button. He said he didn’t even know about that.
It definitely seemed like a pretty intuitive location.
Never underestimate the stupidity of the average person. Don’t take my word for this, but I’ve heard that something like 50% of drivers don’t even know that you need to change your oil, intake filter, and check your tire pressure on a regular basis. The most basic, barebones maintenance that you need to have done, yet half of vehicle owners are completely clueless.
You have no idea how many videos I’ve seen from Just Rolled into the Shop & Mechanical Nightmare on YouTube, where someone brings in a brand new car with a seized engine and only 40K miles on the dash, all because the owner never changed (nor even checked) the oil. And then they have the nerve to try to get a warranty replacement. Or how many alligators I see on the road because people are driving around with 20 PSI in their tires and wondering why they keep having blowouts.
Check your oil level and tire pressure at least every other fill up, people. Also get every fluid flushed and every filter replaced if you’ve owned the vehicle for awhile or just bought it used. It’s not difficult, people.
I needed to look up what a road gator is and I have never seen one. In pre-1989 communist Czechoslovakia, people would need to do all kinds of repairs themselves and every car owner knew their machine inside out. To this day, knowledge of basic technology & maintenance (difference between the four-stroke diesel / spark-ignition engine, dashboard indicators, replacement of all fluids and brake pads, function of the battery, service intervals) is a required part of getting a driver’s license.
I see these almost daily and it’s usually from commercial vehicles having a blowout on their trucks or trailers.
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The first time I ever rode in a Model 3, I accidentally used the mechanical door handle instead of the electronic one. It’s exactly where a normal door handle is. The driver said it happens all the time.
I’ve had a lot more people accidentally open the door with the manual override than the normal door release because it’s a lot more obvious than the normal door release. There are a ton of reasons to criticize Tesla, this is not one of them IMO. This article reads like a lot of other anti-EV “news” articles.
I mean, when you hide a manual door release behind a speaker grill what other conclusion can be made?
The manual door release can be tricky to find unless you’ve combed through your car’s owner’s manual.
Absolute horseshit. Practically every person who gets out of my car for the first time goes for the manual handle. I have to make a point to tell them to use the button.
I have to make a point to tell them to use the button.
So the design is flawed. 20 year old cars can drop the window slightly when the door is opened, why can’t a semi-self-driving car do it?
20 year old cars can drop the window slightly when the door is opened
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It does. If there is no power or somebody swings the door open super fast it can damage/break the window. Generally it’s fine.
Not even a Tesla or Elon guy but wow people just really enjoy shitting on these cars lol. That 20 year old car that drops the window doesn’t drop it when the battery is dead either. Flawed design man, Teslas are ass, Elon is Satan 🤷♂️
Not when the battery is dead dipshit
What? Do you mean that there’s a button to open the door in Teslas? Wasn’t that standardized? And it is hard to find? They must be retarded.
came here to say this exact thing. I’m paranoid new people will pull the manual exit over the button, becauseit can potentially damage the frame.(which is dumb for other reasons).
I get that people could be more curious about their cars, but hiding an emergency release like some kind of hidden book on Hogwarts that you have to yank on seems like a dumb idea. Car doors have established design language, and if you break that design language it has to be pretty fucking obvious how to do the action your users were trained to do.
They are not hidden, I proactively tell new passengers to use the button not the emergency pull handle. If you use the emergency release the window doesn’t drop and can mess up the window trim. I learned to warn people after the first 3 passengers pulled the handle automatically instead of pressing the button marked ‘door’.
Why would you want the window to open when you open your door?
I the Tesla, the emergency release is where you’d normally look for the regular release. I have to tell people to use the button near their thumb instead.
I get that not everyone has this same experience, but it seems like most people already know where the emergency release is on the Tesla, even if they’re not owners.
I think the problem is more that people don’t even look for an emergency release because they assume there isn’t one.
Tesla is not alone (there was a story about someone trapped in a Corvette because they didn’t know about the separate emergency release handle).
However, there are examples of doing it better. For example, evidently in the Mach E the emergency release is… pulling the normal door release harder. So there’s some detent for ‘normal electric opening of door’ and then if you are more frantic, pulling harder to really open the door.
Yeah that Mach-E example sounds ideal.
People… There are manual door handles right where you expect them to be. Why isn’t this in the title hmmmmmmm?
For the model S and X the handles look normal, but not for the model Y and 3. The handles for the model Y and 3 are in front of the window buttons, easy to miss. On top of that using the manual release handles for the model Y and 3 could possibly crack your window trim. Stupid, but true.
Try looking up the models they’re talking about in the article before assuming things hmmmmmmm?
But seriously, everyone should look up the emergency info for your vehicles. May you never need it, but it’s good to know. Like not all Tesla models have a back seat/trunk escape if you find yourself in a serious front end collision. Or how in the Model X you have to pry off the speaker grill to access the manual release wire.
I have a 3. Again, I have to tell people to use the button the first (and 2nd, and on) time they get out. They go right for the manual release which is where, as I said, you would expect.
My dad has a 3. I have no idea where that manual release is supposed to be
Next time you’re in the front seat take a wild guess.
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Fact #648637 why Tesla is a bad car. It just feels very sloppy and badly engineered.
Excuse me? But I happen to enjoy taking off my speaker grill to pull my manual release lever to open the back doors. /s
the door handles are the definition of over-engineered
except when you need to get out of the car.
There are manual door handles right where you would expect them to be.
People are dumb.
if lots of people are having the same issue with the design, then it is the design that is dumb.
Knowing absolutely nothing about this situation, there are enough Teslas out there that dumb mistakes of every variety are going to happen. At a certain point you can’t work around every kind of stupid, some of them directly conflict with each other. Now, I personally think Teslas are over-engineered in some areas, but despite not ever having been inside one even I know they have electronic doors and and manual override.
Remember when Toyotas had a problem with spontaneous acceleration? The thing is, no, they didn’t. People were mixing up the brake and accelerator like they always do and somehow one incident made the news, and it became a trend.
I’ve already lost my enthusiasm for this discussion, but there you go. People be doing dumb things and you gotta ask what the acceptable dumb mistake rate is, because you will never completely eliminate it.
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Just when I start to think there’s alot of great information in the posts and comments on Lemmy, I read some like this.
Yep I thought the same after seeing 3 Tesla bashing posts one after the other in my feed. I don’t care for the brand but I also don’t want to hear about every single defect with them in individual posts.
I think the ‘technology’ topic is too broad and allows for this sort of shit slinging to happen too easily.
Most people working in technology, even software engineers, will appreciate being able to stop or exit a 1-ton machine mechanically. Heck, I don’t even trust my own code and it’s mostly fun shit like this. However, this post has reached the All feed on many instances, which I guess the less knowledgeable people are coming from… it’s been the same on Reddit last year (see my other comment)
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I would argue that because reddit technology was anti-Tesla, they carried that over to lemmy as well.
Yea … hopefully user-defined multi communities come around and we can start to be a bit more organised about stuff here while also more easily able to splinter off into separate communities with different focuses.
It’s been the same on Reddit when arguing about emergency motor cutoff last year, see my other comment…
Every single one of these cars that has a stupid electronic poppwe always has a manual override if the battery dies. It’s been like that for literally decades and I wouldn’t be surprised if it is mandated by law.
That’s gotta suck.
It’s sort of amazing, these cars meet the safety regulations of the countries they are sold in. Or is it a case that no one has been this dumb before and they haven’t had to regulate for it?
Lots of cars have electronic door releases, and they all have manual handles as well. Tesla’s are not difficult to find or use.
