Firefox.
Just thought I’d get that one out of the way early.
I love Firefox, but we need more variety in browsers and Chromium is just making it worse! There has to be a way to make building browsers simpler without everyone ending up relying on the product that was designed to ruin the free internet.
Yeah, the biggest problem with Firefox is that its engine is so hard to embed. Chrome has endless clones because it’s just so damn easy to embed. And Firefox just has some weak forks like Librewolf.
I’d really rather see Mozilla focus on this rather than all their other stupid endeavors…
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What we actually need is more variety in rendering engines. There were never that many, and two or three (Presto, Trident, and Spartan if you count it) have been killed off within the past ten years. All that’s left are two lineages: Google’s Blink and its barely-threre parent WebKit (in Apple’s Safari), and Mozilla’s Gecko and its barely-there child Goanna (in Pale Moon).
Unfortunately, the rendering engine is probably the largest single chunk of code in a browser, and writing a new one (or even forking an existing one) is non-trivial.
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Actually I’m sure most of us are just baffled that people will make extremely shitty choices just because others do
Or the LibreWolf fork 😁
Since Firefox is also implementing Manifest v3, will this also eventually be an issue in Firefox?
https://extensionworkshop.com/documentation/develop/manifest-v3-migration-guide/
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Last I heard, Firefox is making carve outs for some of the APIs that Mv3 is supposed to deprecate.
Firefox fans spamming F5 for any thread that they can comment “Firefox” on
Geez you guys can’t take a joke.
God beware someone posting the solution to the problem. ¯\(ツ)/¯
The thing is — not trying to sound snarky about this — do you honestly believe there is someone on the fediverse that hasn’t heard of Firefox before.
Never heard? No.
Hasn’t switched over yet? Certainly.
What makes you believe excessive comment spam will make them switch?
Probably the same reason you made these comments despite knowing that the odds of you convincing them of your position is indistinguishable from zero.
What do you think is my position?
I believe there are people here who still haven’t switched, and this post about a problem and the obvious solution could convince them.
Do they already know the argument? Sure. It’s a pretty simple one.
The post can, yeah. The predictability with which all posts or comments containing the word “Google” will have several responses underneath evangelizing Firefox almost certainly will not, after it exceeds a point it very clearly routinely exceeds.
Not because you guys are wrong, (you’re not), but because you’re annoying, which is almost as bad. There is something in psychology called reactance theory, and it’s the reason why, when you’re just about to do the dishes and then someone else tells you to do them, it’s suddenly the last thing on earth you want to do.
It is a choice so small it isn’t worth arguing over, but it’s no longer your choice born out of your own free will, and now you feel cheated and resentful and you are not doing it, both out of spite and more truthfully to regain your sense of choice.
This is the same reason everyone hates vegans so much. They’re not wrong. They’re annoying. Firefox has vegan PR.
I held off listening to Hamilton for three years for no other reason than nobody else I met would shut the goddamn fuck up about Hamilton. Same with the TV version of Good Omens, whatever stupid cartoon jester thing has been in a third of the memes lately, and a hundred other things.
I am very likely to switch over to Firefox myself in the ever-nearing future. That ice is breaking. But it will not be because a bunch of strangers whined at me over my own choices for over a decade. It will be because the cons of whatever Google, Windows, etc. have done finally outweigh the pros of not having to exert effort to maintain my experience.
It bears consideration that in the meantime, Firefox users have a tendency not to even read the several duplicate comments before they start jacking off into them, not uncommonly in a way that’s loudly judgemental towards their own target audience.
The resultant spam cements a mental association between Firefox, the brand and the feeling of being annoyed and insulted. Don’t be those vegans. If I had to think, be like the art community treats Adobe. Fuck Adobe, but I’m not just gonna overload someone with aggressive pompousity who’s only using the industry default.
Google Chrome fans spamming F5 on the news page to see what features are being removed next.
What makes you think I’m a Google Chrome fan?
Nothing, just having a bit of fun. Not as punchy as your original comment though.
We don’t have to. There’s an ad on for it.
I didn’t want you to think I down voted because I disagreed with you. You’re quite right. I down voted you because it was a dumb joke.
Yeah, that’s a fair point.
I use LibreFox, btw
That, my friends, is why we kept fighting for firefox. It doesn’t matter if you like or dislike Mozilla foundation, they have to exist because of shit like this
yet we already have a working implementation of ublock origin for mv3 by it’s main developer, gorhill
When I read about that like a year ago gorhill had clearly stated that the mv3 version’s efficacy is severely kneecapped and while it works as well as it can it’s extremely bad in comparison to the present version on Firefox and Edge
How is edge working better than chrome? It’s basically just a reskinned chrome.
Edge has been picking and choosing what features to carry over and off the top of my head announced they wouldn’t be merging in the most unpopular MV3 changes
Firefox has the same problem with V3, it has nothing to do with the browser, adblocker V2 will stop working, because are the advertising companies wich will use V3 scripts. For Chrome and Chromium the only thing is, that are no more V2 adblocker in the Chrome Store and installed adblock extensions won’t work anymore. after June 24. But don’t panic, the fact that adblocker V2 stops working does not exclude that there will be adblocker V3, the devs of these are not going to rest on their laurels either.
to my knowledge Firefox is keeping compatibility with most current extensions at least in terms of adblockers and privacy tools as they transition to manifest v3
Firefox has the same problem with V3, it has nothing to do with the browser
Didn’t they say they will implement V3, but change it slightly to allow extensions like ublock origin to block web requests? Also I’m pretty sure there’s still no timeline for any deprecation of V2 in FF, unlike for Chrome, which will disable all V2 extensions.
Also not a problem in Vivaldi, it has a own inbuild ad/trackerblocker, no need of the Chrome Store for this. Anyway until June 24 also the adblocker devs have updated their products for sure.
until June 24 also the adblocker devs have updated their products for sure.
If you understood the differences between manifest v2 and v3 you’d understand that it’s pretty much impossible to make an ad blocker with the same effectiveness in V3 as in V2.
So they will exist, just be worse.
No https://blog.shahednasser.com/chrome-extension-tutorial-migrating-to-manifest-v3-from-v2/ How long do you think it will take the devs to change the adblockers to v3? 3…2…1…
That doesn’t even mention the changes to webrequest. Here’s an intro: https://developer.chrome.com/docs/extensions/migrating/blocking-web-requests/
- https://support.ublock.org/hc/en-us/articles/11749958544275-Google-s-Manifest-V3-What-it-is-and-what-it-means-for-uBlock-Users-
- https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2022/05/18/manifest-v3-in-firefox-recap-next-steps/
- https://vivaldi.com/blog/manifest-v3-webrequest-and-ad-blockers/
Only hard and adrich times for Chrome users and some work of the devs from adblockers and other browsers.
Firefox has the same problem with V3, it has nothing to do with the browser, adblocker V2 will stop working, because are the advertising companies wich will use V3 scripts.
What the hell are you talking about? This has nothing to do with what advertising companies do.
The main reason adblockers don’t like manifest V3 is that the webRequest API is gone. The proposed replacement, declarativeNetRequest, does not have the same functionality.
Thank goodness for Firefox. Google is really doing their best to make the Internet unusable.
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Why should those be free?
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Guess I just need to keep using firefox. shrug
Goddamnit I missed out again, faaaackkk! Why do i keep using Firefox ? Why?
Because you don’t randomly insist that your tab UI is some extremely fucking specific way that is somehow required to use the Internet! The nerve!
Well what did you expect from an advertising company with a side hustle in web search.
This article is really wrong, wow. There is already a Manifest V3-compliant version of uBlock Origin, it’s discussed in this thread: https://github.com/uBlockOrigin/uBlock-issues/issues/338
I don’t know if it’s stated definitively anywhere, but I’m pretty sure the plan is to roll out that different version to Chrome users as an update to the existing extension. It’s going to be slightly worse because MV3 is still missing some API features.
that version works but it’s always been a lite version compared to the standard ublock origin with far less capabilities and features.
Right, my point was just that the article is wrong/clickbait. The changes won’t “disable uBlock Origin” or “essentially kill off uBlock Origin”.
The V3 version of ublock should really use a different name to make it clear it doesn’t have the same capabilities as in V2/Firefox. Maybe something like UBlock use-firefox-instead.
I could have sworn I saw something saying Google caved on this due to pressure.
They pushed it back. They’ve done so several times with Manifest V3.
That’s an important distinction. Whenever trillion dollar tech companies say they’re not going to do something hugely unpopular and selfish because of public sentiment, what they really mean is they’re not going to do it right then. Instead they back off, do something like this to get everyone’s attention focused elsewhere, and then they’ll push the original unpopular idea anyways, but quietly.
Thankfully Google is really good at killing things.
I’ve never really understood the obsession with this. Yes, it’s true, but 1) they’ve never killed anything I actually cared about 2) they can’t support infinite software forever. 3) this discussion has nothing to do with anything here. They aren’t going to “kill” ads, it’s literally the one thing about their company that will never not be the focus.
They don’t allow any new MV2 extensions in the store, though.
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It was something else. Web drm : Web Integrity API.
Tho I don’t think they canceled the mobile variant of it for apps.
They backed off their web drm, because it was hugely unpopular, but also because they remembered they own chromium and can just disable adblockers directly. They tried to over-engineer something that requires everyone else to adopt a new standard, when all they ever needed to do was use a sledgehammer.
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Enshitification continues.
Amazing how versioning can give an air of legitimacy through the illusion of progress.
I suppose this will affect chromium too?
Since Chrome does not “disable uBlock Origin” but Google deprecating manifest V2 in favor of manifest V3 it will be done in Chromium because Chromium does the heavy lifting and Chrome is “just a Chromium based browser”.
Didn’t expect the day to come when I can no longer use Chromium based browsers.
Oh well, anyway.
They have been postponing it for a long time now. But uBlock origin has a light version they expect to work with V3. I wonder why they bother in the first place when they can just focus on Firefox
But uBlock origin has a light version they expect to work with V3
It just “kinda” works. It cannot nearly load all the network filters that it would normally use.
Well, Firefox also plans to deprecate MV2 at some point (deadline to be announced at the end of this year), the difference is just that their implementation of MV3 is more flexible at the points Chrome was criticized for.
That’s why we need to switch away from this proprietary garbage and use Firefox or LibreWolf (Firefox on steroids with less bloat, improved privacy and even pre-installed uBlock Origin)
Not sponsored, I just genuinely like the product. Adguard doesn’t require manifests because it works outside the browser.
On the other news I hope this bullshit is finally the straw that kills chrome.
Not sponsored, I just genuinely like the product. Adguard doesn’t require manifests because it works outside the browser.
But trivial to circumvent. Just change the origin url from (for example) ‘ads.google.com’ to ‘google.com’ and you no longer can block ads based on DNS blocking.
While it is now not a hugh thread it will eventually happen when they manage to eradicate adblockers in the browser.
Ublock origin is far way more advanced and complete than adguard, though. Cosmetic filtering, for example
Adguard does have cosmetic filtering thou. I’m talking about their paid app not dns servers.
Hope springs eternal. Most people without an adblocker don’t even notice that their web experience has become an ad-ridden hellscape.
The people who don’t run ad-blockers are many, and stupid.
Those many stupid people are paying for your gmail.
While I have an old Gmail account I do not use it. My main email account is with (not much better) Microsoft. I also have an account with Proton Mail, which will eventually be my only account.
Highly doubt it. So many other browsers on so many platforms (mobile, tv, Auto,…) are built on Chrome and will have this by extension.
And opening most links in Android apps still opens them in Chrome, even if Firefox is your default browser.
Time for Android to get the EU treatment.
I have stock Android device and have disabled Chrome and everything opens in FF (including the uBlock addon) in-app. You are spreading lies.
I have a Pixel 7, and random things open in Chrome.
You are spreading lies.
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Then disable Chrome, you galaxy-brain genius.
How about the US fixes some of its shit for once? Instead of exporting disgusting practices and forcing others to fix them?
I don’t have this issue m Samsung galaxy s9+ on stock Android.
Everything opens in the duckduckgo browser by default. The only time I see Chrome is when it’s for when a web site doesn’t load in ddg or firefox
you might have forgotten to set your browser of choice as the default webview
Where do you do that? There’s only an option for Default Browser as far as I can see, and that’s set to Firefox.
I found an option in the Developer Options called Webview implementation, but only the Android System Webview can be selected. On Pixel 7.
I honestly don’t know anymore as I can’t find it. Maybe it was just different in older Android versions, but now I akso just have FF set as my default browser and that’s it.
I’m doing this from a Samsung, so the steps might differ slightly, but go into apps, scroll down to Chrome, select it, and then tick the ‘Disable’ option. Now Chrome literally can’t open anything.
Ok, that works, ta.
Strange how just setting the default doesn’t.
I have only one problem with that: no other browser is capable of Casting (as in Chromecast to an Android TV). Trust me, I heard and tried ALL the suggestions there is. And no, I don’t want to cast the whole phone screen, JUST the browser or the medium playing inside it. You know, science-kind media for my friend.
