cross-posted from: https://hcommons.social/users/adachika192/statuses/114611927184686873
Pro-Israel Figures Threaten to Kill Greta Thunberg Over Gaza Aid Mission - Quds News Network (2025-06-02)
https://qudsnen.co/pro-israel-figures-threaten-to-kill-greta-thunberg-over-gaza-aid-mission/
------>> … Greta Thunberg is facing a wave of violent threats by pro-genocide individuals after joining a Gaza-bound aid flotilla. Pro-Israel figures have called for her death or harm as she sails to challenge Israel’s siege on the devastated territory.
>> Republican Senator Lindsey Graham posted on X: “Hope Greta and her friends can swim!”…
#StopIsrael #StopGenocide #FreedomFlotilla
@palestine@lemmy.ml @palestine@a.gup.pe
Man, if the holocaust happened today, turns out most people would actually be on team holocaust. Wait, that’s exactly whats happening…
I don’t think it’s most people. Opinions outside of Israel have largely shifted against it even in the US. Politicians often misrepresent their constituents on this one. At least that’s what it looks like in some polls I’ve seen.
They’re attempting to astroturf a Holocaust. People aren’t on board but the rich goombas are.
Emphasis on “rich” here. History has shown that genocide is always followed by claiming and then divvying up the resources once held by the displaced/dead. That’s always a rich-man’s game.
A line from Rage Against the Machine’s “Darkness”
They say they’ll kill them off, take their land and go there for vacation
genocide is always followed by claiming and then divvying up the resources once held by the displaced/dead.
Like this
So you’re saying the favor should be returned- reciprocated, even.
I like that idea.
Good thing Luigi’s mansion is common man’s game.
Opinions outside of Israel have largely shifted against it even in the US.
Not in Congress. Not on Wall Street. No where the power congeals. We’re hitting the end-stage of the War on Terror. Western states are not going to be happy until the entire Muslim world is cowed or exterminated.
Of course, but the disconnect growing on this coincides with the disconnect on other important issues and things are eventually coming to a head.
People who vote for nazis/murderers are complicit. Politicians are elected, so the “constituents” do not get to wash the blood from their hands. They are just as guilty.
Yeah, the debates seems to be mostly people questioning if it is war crimes or genocide, different experts and different organizations have different conclusions, although it seems more conclusions are shifting towards genocide.
“even the US” bro they have been feeding their people milk and cheese tobacco and lies for decades because it’s how you get rich, it’s literally a country where you can be a politician, decide to give you money, there’s nothing over there that has ever represented what actual people want for 50 years, they’re having a civil class war and the rich won long ago, megacorps decide what the people want
I see you’re also a Climate Town enjoyer. 😄
If there was only one person on earth I could choose to marry it would be that guy
The Israeli government doesn’t represent everyone who follows the Jewish faith. Jewish practitioners (especially abroad) shouldn’t be assumed to be complicit unless they claim or are shown to be.
That may be; I know nothing. But somebody just posted something like “Jews of lemmy, how is your family on Israel / Gaza?” And most said their families were all very pro Israeli government / Zionist. It sounded a lot like most were complicit.
Here it is, and it is a bit better than when I saw it first, but still…
If you don’t think Israel’s propaganda campaign extends to lemmy I’ve got a bridge to sell you.
What? I’m not saying anything like that. But… if you’re offering, I wouldn’t mind checking out that bridge.
And most said their families were all very pro Israeli government / Zionist. It sounded a lot like most were complicit.
Impressive research effort!
Who said that the government represent all jews? Governments set up country policies. When we say israel of course we mean israeli governments Israel since it’s creation policies was to oppress, steal land kill and rape palestinians.
The fact that you choose tocsay this bs comment instead of those activists risk to die from israel terrorism show how tou don’t care about those people and the activists
Who said that the government represent all jews?
Said government says it, and jewish non-Israelis are barely heard disputing that. I don’t know if it’s them or the media not giving them equal voice, but one or the other is essentially promoting Netanyahu as spokesperson for everything jewish.
I don’t know if it’s them or the media not giving them equal voice,
then educate yourself and stop speculating
No one implied otherwise here, and speaking of here, you’re rather preaching to the choir, don’t you think?
Indeed, while Israel is indeed a Jewish country, it does not represent all Jews, nor do all Jews agree with the way the Israeli behave. Condemning Israel is justified, hating all Jews because of Israel is not.
That is completely true and also unlikely to matter.
I was born 3 decades after the end of WWII. By that point Germany and Austria had gone through great lengths to repudiate the policies of the Nazis. They had paid massive reparations. They had issued numerous official and unofficial apologies. The monuments of the Nazis were torn down in favor of memorials for their victims. That didn’t stop other kids from calling me a Nazi as soon as they found out I spoke German. To this day people are comfortable making Nazi jokes about random Germans (see Oliver Zeidler).
Similarly, we have evidence that the vast majority of sexual assaults are committed by a small number of repeat offenders. That doesn’t stop the repeated mantra of, “Not all men but always a man.”
Many people, particularly in Asia, are offended that the Nazis turned the Swastika into a symbol of hatred. Most people are aware that the Nazis stole the symbol but you really can’t wear one without risking a fight, even if you have the little dots in it.
It doesn’t matter if they should or shouldn’t be assumed to be complicit; they will. People around the world will see the Star of David as a symbol of death and destruction for generations.
Yeah, no shit.
It is a holocaust, essentially.
Most people in the west you mean. Most people in the world are very much against Israel and it’s genocide. I think we forget this.
If you live in the west you can feel alone in caring about the suffering. You just feel alone in the west.
Not most people, most bots
Then why are all the governments collectively punishing people for speaking out? I’m sure there is some astroturfing, but I know a number of people who have some weird opinions on this bcz they get their news from conservative sources.
I think the only bad thing about the Holocaust was that Germany did it. Germany threatened established colonial powers. They threatened international order. Therefore the Holocaust is a terrible thing and Germany had to be stopped.
When the good guys do a Holocaust it’s not bad anymore.
Edit: I mean as far as most people use it.
Yeah. People misunderstand your comment’s viewpoint, but it’s accurate.
The allies have retconned their WWII history as brave defenders of modern society and freedom when in reality they did not intervene for anyone’s sake but their own. Least of all the Jews’. Tons of advocates for eugenics and phrenology along vocal fascists like Henry Ford in the US, imperialist ambitions towards non-western countries, the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact…
You actually think that? Please tell me it’s just poorly phrased.
I’m sure he only means it as “this is the shitty way the world actually works”. Not that he personally believes it himself.
The fact that you’re stopping to read what the person said and form a charitable interpretation of it instead of just leaping down their throat while smashing your phone / keyboard with rage is commendable.
Ignoring the actual content / intended meaning of what they said the moment THIS right here disappears from Lenny is the moment it’s dead.
I mean, if they actually think the holocaust was hunky dory then fuck them, but I agree it’s probably just poorly phrased.
If that were the case I’d hope they would try to be clearer.
The “@mhague@lemmy.world is a giant asshole” reading is much, much easier than the “@mhague@lemmy.world thinks the world sucks” reading, for me at least. The second reading takes some mental gymnastics for me.
Hoping you’re right, but not convinced. Also giving a lot of side-eye.
i don’t agree with the original comment bc it is pessimistic reductionism but i think you and the people dogging on it severely lack media literacy and critical thinking skills, as kindly as that can be stated.
in what way is the former reading more likely than the latter??
you need to make far more assumptions about the original comment and commenter to come to the conclusion that he made the comment out of some weird bigoted malice than to just accept the obvious reading of it being a commentary on global society’s attitudes towards various genocides.
jesus fucking christ i see this shit all over the internet and it is why our society is collapsing. just droves of people behaving and thinking in ways that would fucking abhor a literature teacher from even just a decade ago.
Hard agree. And many folk forget, English is not everyone’s first language.
It’s janky phrasing, but after a reread, it makes sense.
I’m personally scared for what the future holds, we are living in a post-Enlightenment society.
At the risk of sounding a little chud-y… we are tasked with the same challenge people like Newton or Spinoza dealt with in life; we need to rebuild meaning, reason, and thought from first principles in a way that is amicable to the modern order.
People, like those that we’re seeing in action here, probably think Modest Proposal is actually encouraging the audience to eat children. It’s a serious problem.
When someone says “I think the only bad thing about the Holocaust was that Germany did it” they need to do a fair amount of work to clarify that they do not mean that literally. Otherwise, I will be inclined to take them at their word.
of course he means it literally?
that’s why i think, as i said, his comment is reductionist. the key word is
I think the only bad thing…
he’s just trying to draw an edgy hyperbolic narrative that the world only cares about the Holocaust in particular not because it is a genocide but because it threatened the international status quo. he’s wrong, but he’s not a nazi, at least as far as i can tell from his singular comment. i won’t come up to bat for the original commenter, he very well could be a bigot or a nazi. i don’t have enough context to know as a reader. his use of leftist diction and the way he wields it is a pretty strong indicator that this was his intended thesis, on top of obvious contextual clues.
man fuck idek what else to say. your response here is purely reactionary, you aren’t even saying anything other than reaffirming things you’ve already said.
If you do a holocaust then you’re not one of the good guys. It’s pretty simple.
They’re clearly not speaking from their own perspective.
Ah, yes, threatening to murder teenage girls - Clearly, the moral high ground
Small correction that does not take away from the point your making, but Greta is 22.
The passage of time confuses and scares me
Serves them right if they’re… checks notes… feeding starving people. Yep.
Pieces of shit
however very on brand
She hasn’t been a teenager for a while. This idea has been perpetuated by Right Wingers since she came on the scene, and despite her turning 18 four years ago, people treat her as if she was an ignorant child. We need to all know this and stop propagating this.
I mean they’re well past threatening. They’ve been killing hundreds of actual children in Palestine for months.
Yeah but those aren’t worthy victims.
A rich white girl on the other hand… that’ll be newsworthy… for a couple of days.
The last boat was destroyed. Everyone on this boat could die, too. Those people are insanely brave doing this. hopefully they all come out of this alive and are able to help those in need.
Bravest woman I every heard of in that generation. I hope she makes it safe. She would make excellent world leader someday. Fuck Lindsay Graham and rest of the ghouls.
BuT sHe’S a WoMaN!
What a silly thing to say.
I’m certain that pretty much every person in ukrain or gaza or a bunch if other places has more demonstrated bravery than Greta.
What makes you say that? She’s choosing to put her life in danger for others when she doesn’t have to. How is that less brave than simply being born in a certain place?
Wikipedia says there are 20,000 women in combat roles in Ukraine, who have chosen to put their life in danger for others when they don’t have to. Most of them don’t post videos about it.
Oh, damn. I didn’t know 20k out of 20 million is “most people”. That changes things.
I didn’t say that ?
I did however provide 20,000 examples of women braver than Greta.
"What a silly thing to say.
I’m certain that pretty much every person in ukrain or gaza or a bunch if other places has more demonstrated bravery than Greta. "
Are you claiming that there’s only 20k people in Ukraine? Cause otherwise, yeah, you did claim that.
Also, yes, they’re brave no question about that. But they’re protecting their own. Greta is helping others. I’d argue that that’s braver.
Those people are insanely brave
Or insanely stupid, it’s a thin line.
Trying to save people from a holocaust is not stupidity.
She’s not gonna save anyone, she’s gonna be shot down, or captured if lucky. Her martyrdom might do something, considering she’s a privileged white kid, but not enough that matters – she’ll be off the news in days and all the nazis will get is stern criticism.
I do hope i’m wrong.
Well, we all know who the actual terrorists are.
Spectator: The sinister transformation of Greta Thunberg
JNS Daily: Danish police arrest Greta Thunberg during pro-Hamas protest
NYPost: Greta Thunberg goes full in on Jew-hate because left politics is all one big blob
Conservatives have been gunning (quite literally) for Greta for nearly a decade. Israelis are going to 100% try and kill her. She’s going to be martyred if she’s not protected.
She’s going to be martyred if she’s not protected.
Yes, I’m afraid she probably will.
I’m sure she’s aware
as much as us random unqualified internet commenters? pshh
Well,
we all knowsome people claim, that they know who the actual terrorists are./Ftfy.
It’s the people slaying the other people including civilians in their homes. In all cases.
I really don’t know how you find that difficult to grasp. Do you have a home? Would you like if they killed everyone you know and you? It’s not the hardest empath challenge, you can do it if you try, I believe in you
To your surprise, i can’t agree more! You should never omit the fact: questioning whether the civilians were the target or gruesome collateral victims (or “martyrs”).
This fact is what tells the difference in our views, unfortunately. This hurts me as bad, as you, i guess.
Where did you get my view from?
The Jews? America? All of them? I don’t know what you’re insinuating.
‘Pro-Israel figures’ as the headline says are the terrorists they are probably referring to, the ones threatening to kill people on a humanitarian aid mission.
aka zionists
He’s refering to Taiwan obviously.
Death threats are not 1A-protected free speech. So terrorism charges against those making the threats, yes?
/we all know the answer to that question
Terrorism charges don’t really mean much anymore. You can call anything terrorism at this point. They will need something less generic.
You can call anything terrorism at this point.
you know, except a white, right wing, man, who commits mass murder, for ideological reasons
Those are lone wolves, and tragically mentally ill, of course
All those lone wolves seem to have a lot in common. Hmmm
Wow, that’s a pretty insane reaction, why would they say something like th- Oh, I see, they say shit like that all the time and almost no one calls them out on it? They’d kill her with impunity if she were even slightly darker-skinned, and will brook no interference with their ethnic cleansing? It’s a good thing that the ICC is at least reining them in befo- oh, they’ve also been largely impotent to stop the bloodbath from flying off the rails?
Sen. Lindsay Graham among the threats
Yeah I feel like years ago someone would have had to step down from their position and quit politics in shame for such a dishonorable statement.
Hoping someone shoots missiles and sinks civilians trying to feed the poor. What a terrible soul.
Lindsey Graham is a pus riddled sore. Why does cancer harm the innocent when there is righteous work to be done?
Maybe this is why Wayne Enterprises made the Cancer Ray
My introductory scene with Harley Quinn was her shooting a guard with the cancer raygun. The other guard blurts out, “He has kids!” - I was hooked.
I still haven’t seen it but I really need to
It will be well worth your time as the writing is sublime. The Joker’s foray into the middle-class lifestyle is wonderful as is Bane’s trip to Italy. And that’s amongst so many other fun story lines.
Honestly, my generation (80s) does not deserve Ms. Thunberg.
having seen humanity, she’s not the person we deserve, but the one we need
Autists saving the world. But Neurotypicals know of our power so they created a society and social rules that work against us
the biggest disability that comes with autism is dealing with neurotypicals.
Especially once that are stupid and dont work on ANY logical reasoning
Can we all agree. A certain percentage of Zionists people. Are blood thirsty monsters? And they should be taken out before they can harm other people. Preferably put in prison.
That “certain percentage” is 100%.
I would say the same thing about the J word. But you get banned if you say the J word. So Zionist it is.
You don’t get banned for saying “Jews”. You WILL get banned for saying the Jews should be exterminated, or that “100% of Jews…”
We do not tolerate hate speech, no matter who it’s directed at.
To my understanding Jew is not perjorative but could be in context eg if offense is obviously intended or if mention of ethnicity or religion is otherwise irrelevant.
Correct, there’s nothing perjorative about “Jews”, but the overall context can be concerning.
People get all hot and bothered and start conflating “Jews” with “Israelis” and “Zionists”.
You can be a non-Israeli Jew. You can be a non-Jewish Zionist, they don’t all mean the same thing.
It sure feels like any disagreement with a certain group. Gets you banned.
You’re welcome to disagree, just don’t make hateful statements.
It’s more that pretending certain groups are a monolith, or really pretending anything is something it’s not, to justify hate speech is banned. Sure, it’s easy to pretend that all Jews are Zionists (ergo all Jews are pro-genocide) but it’s demonstrably untrue and just lazy thinking.
Most Jewish people are pro Israel and amongst those who are most religious or Orthodox most rises to an overwhelming majority.
This isn’t pretending an ethic group has negative characteristics from a stereotype this is acknowledging an actual view most in a group have.
Most Americans are pro Christianity. Even if you view Christianity negatively it’s ok to say Americans are infatuated with the trappings if not the actual virtues of Christianity because it’s true even if this isn’t true of every single one of us.
Right, but “most” is not “monolith.” There’s around 16 million jews worldwide, so even if 90% of jews are pro-zionist that’s still over a million non-zionist jews. List of Jewish anti-Zionist organizations. Generalizations about groups of people are harmful even if they’re true, because it’s unfair to the those who don’t fit the generalization.
Fuck off Nazi, anyone with sense knows the difference between Zionism and Jews.
“A certain percentage of rhombuses have four equal sides.”
“I think that percentage is 100.”
“I would say the same about rectangles, but you get banned if you say rectangles. So rhombuses it is.”
Not all rectangles are rhombuses. And not all rhombuses are rectangles. Don’t be racist and you won’t get banned.
anti-zionist jews are some of the loudest voices and most crucial organizers of resistance against the zionist occupation of palestine. fuck right off you antisemitic piece of shit.
I’m not an anti-Semite. I’m from a similar tribe as Jewish people. I just have family who lived through their own genocide and I have no patience for people perpetrating genocide in the this modern era. If I can’t be objective against this group for what I have anecdotally experienced. Then what do you call that? Because that’s not free speech. I don’t call people names or call them slurs.
A: what exactly is a “similar tribe as Jewish people”? Like, Arabic? Cause that doesn’t exactly preclude being racist against Jews…
B: my man, you literally just said that all Jews are blood thirsty monsters, and they should be taken out before they can harm other people. You can’t seriously think you can somehow flip that around as some sort of enlightened anti-genocide platform.
Friendly reminder that even being Jewish doesn’t preclude being racist against Jews.
I am not who you replied to, but my guesses:
A: Romani B: The post they were replying “100%” to specified zionists.
While I do not agree 100% of zionists are bloodthirsty monsters I do believe any people who claim some holy right to a land are inevitably going to commit atrocities to take or defend their magic dirt.
I’m gonna attach a screenshot so you can see that yes, the post they were replying to did indeed say Zionists, and they made it about all Jews. Not sure what exactly you’re trying to say with point B.
Armenian. Our genetics show up as Jewish on 23 and me because we are similar tribes from wayyyyyyyyyy back. I also had my entire male side of my family killed in the Armenian genocide. And my aunts turned into slave sex workers for the Turks.
To be clear, you’re saying that you would say that 100% of Jews should be “taken out,” except that this would get you banned?
Absolutely not. I would say zionists need to be stopped judiciously. Through the human rights courts and other organizations. This is all their making. We need to stop them before they start a nuclear war.
Is that percentage 100%? Because any desire to take land without any respect for the ones living there for thousands of years has a certain… Lebensraum ambience attached to it
While I agree, why so much punctuation?
I’m a terrible writer.
But a great panda.
It might be voice to text. It sometimes gets carried away.
A certain percentage of all people are bloodthirsty monsters, especially when it comes to people unlike themselves.
And anyone who thinks this problem is caused by no one trying to use a bomb, gun, or flamethrower to solve it is the biggest idiot in planet earth.
Basically we need to stop being captain america and lean towards being the punisher.
Same with other side right?
A certain percentage of all humans with personal causes are blood thirsty monsters.
Yes, but most bloodthirsty monsters don’t get to use advanced military weapons and don’t receive billions in aide to seek blood
At least they’re consistent in how they want to resolve conflict.
If only some.countries was brave enough to bring security to those type of ships
Way too many folks that enjoy genocide these days.
Just put little silver skulls on the front of your hats already.
they probably really want to
Good. This means Greta is doing the right thing. Also, it’s about time she’s back in the spotlight, and not some minor footnote when talking about activism events.
