• arogon9999 [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    4 months ago

    Agreed, fuck China. Keep watching while a genocide is happening. The Japanese Red Army did fucking more with nothing while China sits on their ass as the 2nd most powerful country in the world.

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      4 months ago

      5 year old account resurrects just to post against China for not doing enough per their own unstated standards.

      The Japanese Red Army is disbanded and its members dead or in prison, having accomplished very little organizationally or to build power. The PRC has prevented billions of deaths even just in its own borders - and still exists as a project in which to struggle. So should we be sayinh, “fuck The Japanese Red Army” based on these objectiveoutcomes? That seems unprincipled.

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        4 months ago

        Stalking post history doesn’t change what I said. The PRC with all its power has done fuck all is my point. The USSR did more for the world with a fraction of the economic power of China. Why should I care if China becomes powerful when all they do is care about themselves. Useless country.

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          Ah yes the roads, hospitals, ports, airports, schools, trains, manufacturing facilities, and green energy initiatives done in dozens of global south countries has only helped themselves. I guess Africans can’t use roads or something, is that what you think? Only the Chinese get to use the railway in Kenya?

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          Stalking post history

          As of writing my comment you had 3 thinga in your posting history. Two from 5 years ago and one from today. Don’t you think it’s exaggerative to call it stalking to simply make note of that?

          doesn’t change what I said.

          It means, most likely, that you registered many accounts ages ago and are using it as an alt. This does actually cast your comment in a particular light.

          The PRC with all its power has done fuck all is my point.

          I believe your point, your thesis, which you led with, is, “fuck China”. And for, as I already noted, not doing enough. Your rehashing here is pointless. If you want to die on the hill of it doing, “fuck all” then that is certainly a choice.

          The USSR did more for the world with a fraction of the economic power of China.

          The USSR did many great things. It also collapsed and took scores of socialist countries with it. It was also Zionist and integral to the creation of this settler-colonial genocidal project. As scientific socialists we must acknowledge not just what factors favor revolution and that we can impact, but what factors destabilize a state after the early stages. Much of the collapse of the USSR was due to failed internal struggles and organization, with Kruschev’s nonsense as a canary in the coal mine.

          I also would never accept the claim that the USSR had a fraction of China’s economic power, it was massively productive and for more useful things. Much of China’s productivity is for garbage products (not low-quality, just ridiculous products) for export to the US et al. But China is certainly powerful.

          Why should I care if China becomes powerful when all they do is care about themselves.

          Did you miss the part where I mentioned billions of averted deaths? Do you see zero benefit to the continued existence of a socialist project governing a state eith 1.4 billion people? And China does have a very conservative internationalism that nevertheless benefits the global south.

          Useless country.

          Objectively wrong.

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        4 months ago

        Lol what a response for criticizing China. And ya Yemen, another poor broke country does exactly that and has tangibly hurt Israel bankrupting one of their ports while China abets a genocide. Never forget that.

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      4 months ago

      Yup. Tired of everyone in here providing cover for China. They aren’t doing shit except words of condemnation.

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          People in here seem to forget what critical means when they say critical support.

          Aside from Iran, Yemen, and Hezbollah, and The DPRK, China is probably next in line for their support to Palestine, but that isn’t saying much.

          Have they sanctioned israel in any way? No, they restricted the sale of Chinese drones for military purposes, but they still end up in the hands of the apartheid regime.

          They haven’t restricted any trade on the basis of “israel’s” genocidal onslaught. At least Colombia stopped exporting coal to them.

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            And you believe Hexbear doesn’t already have regular criticism of China’s conservative foreign policy on this? I see this kind of thing mentioned every week.

            Critical support honestly means very little when it is just anonymous people sharing opinions on the internet. What support? Pushing back on the predominant anti-China bullshit? Pushing back on the useless and incorrect Western leftist tendency to become ultras? It’s not like a Hexbear from Florida is volunteering for the PLA or something. The extent of critical support in any of these spaces is just a rejection of anticommunist propaganda and unprincipled tendencies.

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              Critical support honestly means very little when it is just anonymous people sharing opinions on the internet.

              Then one can say the same thing for support as well.

              I still think China is the best country in the world right now, and have plans to move there in the near future.

              But I also don’t see how China directly funding a “country” committing genocide is excusable, and any criticism is labeled as anticommunist.

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                  4 months ago

                  How. I criticized china on one thing and you immediately called me anticommunist. You’re the reason people associate us “tankies” as being insufferable. Touch grass please.

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                    How

                    By not addressing anything I said.

                    I criticized china on one thing and you immediately called me anticommunist.

                    I absolutely did not. This is a fabrication. Please don’t treat comrades this way.

                    You’re the reason people associate us “tankies” as being insufferable.

                    Now you’re just baselessly insulting me.

                    Touch grass please.

                    lmao remember the first question I asked you and that you entirely ignored?

      • THEPH0NECOMPANY [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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        China ( mainland and HK) are Israel’s second biggest importers behind the U.S. 3rd is Ireland

        The bare minimum at this point would be to do something economically to pressure Israel. Like c’mon your telling me the world’s manufacturing hub can’t replace imports of optical equipment and chemicals, theres been plenty of time to find alternative suppliers.

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          Imports from Israel to China have dropped about 40% since 2022. I agree that it would be more beneficial for Palestine for us to see clear and overt economic pressure rather than quiet moves like this.