• Bob@feddit.org
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          I think her stances on all important political and economic issues were better than Trump’s. The American people want unpredictable tariffs, authoritarianism, and an end to the rules-based international order that the US established in the wake of the second world war. She offered a reasonable alternative, and it was rejected by the American people. I don’t think she should need to be ashamed about that.

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          7 days ago

          That’s a pretty emotional argument. She’s a mature woman in her 70’s. I doubt she would see it the way you do.

          Would you end your current career if you had some sort of major failure? Personally, I would try to learn from it and do better next time.

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            If my failure caused 4 years of Donald Trump? Yes, I would find another career. How many fully loaded 747s can a pilot crash before they shouldn’t be speaking authoritatively on how to fly planes?

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              You really like false equivalency arguments, don’t you? Harris didn’t singlehandedly cause four more years of Trump. That took the entire GOP working/plotting towards it for four years, as well as many failures in leadership, on both sides, among many departments. I blame Biden’s DOJ for not prosecuting Trump for inciting an insurrection more than I blame Harris’ rushed campaign and handful of poor responses to questions. I also blame voters like you, who still fail to see the big picture and, instead, waste energy trying to punish neoliberals for playing neoliberal politics when the choice is between more neoliberalism and outright fascism. Both choices suck, but one leaves the option for a long game, while the other leads to minorities like me being murdered by the state.

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                What would the Democrats have to do to lose your support?

                How much failure and faked impotence does it take for you to discard them?

                Don’t answer that, just think about it.

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                Of course it was a team effort to lose. We all agree. Nobody solely blames her. But this issue, genocide, is one that could have changed the entire campaign. She fucked it up then, and she still can’t admit it… So what we all see is her lack of values on display. No need to listen to that, to respect that.

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                  Right. She doesn’t deserve that kind of respect. But, surely we can recognize that she’s also not openly authoritarian, like he other option we were given. I don’t pay attention to her, or any politician, outside of what they are currently doing while they’re in office or what they did while they were in office and are running for another term. I’m not sure what point you’re trying to communicate.

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            Imagine a pilot flying a plane into a building and then going on book tours. Even worse, it’s kind of obvious the pilot did it because rich people and foreign nations told him to.

            “I’m not the pilot right now”

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          She’s a politician. Everything’s an act. She’s also not openly fascist. The other option we were given is. I really don’t see how this is hard for so many of y’all.

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            You keep assuming leftists were why she lost.

            That’s because you deepthroat propaganda.

            Leftists overwhelmingly voted for Harris.

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              No, I’m saying a percentage of leftists helped Trump win because they succumbed to propaganda. IMO, the leftists that opted out of voting for Harris don’t get to pretend like they did it to help Palestine. Trump getting back into office is, and was always going to be worse for Palestine. Seeing as you’re willing to put words into my mouth, this is the only response you’re going to get from me. Not interested in conversing with rage-fueled teenagers.

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                The data shows that the people who voted for Biden and stayed home for Harris were democrats and independant boomers, genx, and a small amount of Millennials. Of these age groups the ones who stayed home the vast majority were white men/women, and hispanic men. Again these were boomer Neoliberals who didn’t want to vote for a colored woman.

                If every single gaza protester voted for Harris (assuming none of them did) then it wouldn’t be anywhere close to enough votes for her to win.

                Quit deepthroating the anti leftist, anti young propaganda plz