There is additional reporting from the Chicago Sun-Times and it’s now unclear if a gun was fired or if ICE used a burner phone to call in a report of shots fired
There is additional reporting from the Chicago Sun-Times and it’s now unclear if a gun was fired or if ICE used a burner phone to call in a report of shots fired
What’s crazy about all this…
Multi-billionaire Governor JB Pritzker keeps saying ICE has to go thru him for ICE to be in his state, and ICE keeps going into his state and violating human rights…
But surely if a multi billionaire was lying, all the multi-billionaire owned news organizations would tell us, right?
/S
I live in a suburb literally bordering Chicago and I can be in the city itself in 5 minutes. I’m in several Signal groups dedicated to rapid response and all sorts of other groups that help. There have been abductions happening literally a block from my house on a couple of occasions.
I’m not sure what you expect Pritzker to do, exactly? The feds have a lot of laws that allow them to be here and there’s a ton of other red tape and weird loopholes. For instance, an ICE free zone means specific property. Hypothetically, a Home Depot which serves customers can declare itself an ICE free zone but really the only private spots that Feds cannot enter are things like the break room, meeting rooms, and staff areas. So they can legally chase anyone through a store.
People are videoing everything and ICE and Border Patrol generally stop being so bold with numbers and multiple cameras on them. My point is, people are doing what the can to resist but unless you want us firing guns and starting a war - we have to play this through our own tactics and the courts. Many police won’t even respond when they are called about agents in vehicles with no front plates. This is happening all over.
Once again, I’m not sure what you want Pritzker himself to do. He’s signing things into law and supporting tactics the people are using. There’s so much legal stuff going on and people aren’t just going to start a war.
They’re mad at the rich and desperate to connect two bad things
This is lemmy. They want the earth sun and moon and anything less is fascism.
Weird…
You don’t have any idea what powers a Governor has?
I’ve noticed that a common thing in people which positive feelings toward neoliberal governors.
They control the police, they can arrest ICE for harassing citizens of their state against their wishes.
Like…
You know we fought a whole civil war over this, right?
The slave states wanted to send feds into free states to “deport” free Black people to the south to be slaves. Lincoln refused, and the South started a war they lost.
But since the oligarchs bought off both parties to push for a stronger fed now everyone is convinced that we have a strong fed that can do shit like this and states are powerless.
Even when it’s literally an oligarch doing this shit.
If someone has a billion dollars they’re not on the people’s side. Which should be really easy to tell when someone has multiple billions, yet here we are
I’ve noticed a common thing in the type of people who accuse others of having positive feelings toward nEoLiBeRaL governors.
They have no concept of how nuanced topics work.
All you all can do is smugly accuse people of shit they’re clearly not doing- and it is because you cannot imagine that it is possible for a thing to not be either black or white.
The person you responded to said nothing positive at all about Pritzker. They simply stated facts as they see them. YOU saw it as your shining moment to arrogantly punch down at someone that simply shared their take.
Your shit smells just as bad as everyone else’s. The sooner you come to terms with this, the sooner people will start taking you seriously.
I’m blocking you now, but by all means, feel free to respond with whatever rhetoric you feel compelled to hurl my way. I’ll be sure to read it as soon as possible!
You don’t need to notify people, it works without that…
Not gonna join in on the insults tho.
Although, it should be obvious why the fans of billionaires never want to talk about what actually can be done.
Interesting!!! You are the singular person who has thought of this, huh? The group I’m in with mayor of my village, lawyers, and local politicians/political candidates for state have not ever thought about this or considered that as a possibility?! I’m surprised you’re not running for governor with these solutions…
Reality, friend, is different than that you THINK can and should happen. You are also ignoring that people DO. NOT. WANT. TO. START. A. WAR. The governor does not want to start a war. Having cops just go around arresting federal agents will escalate the situation to have Trump authorize martial law and actually enact the military. There isn’t a coalition of states to call upon to defend one another that I know of which this sort of provocation would require.
I appreciate you thinking you know what can happen, but that’s probably a good reason why you aren’t in charge. Your solution would hurt people. I’m actually involved in this shit and I see the discussions by people more in the know than you and me.
This is literally the same as when trump first hears something, before he forgets it he runs around telling people:
Understanding that others know things we don’t is a very very important step of development, that the vast majority of humans accomplish before 1st grade.
However, trump isnt alone.
Like you could have googled it yourself, you could have asked a question or for sources…
Instead you wanted everyone to know your ignorant opinion, because for some fucking reason you think ignorant opinions and verifiable facts are indistinguishable…
Because, again like trump, you can’t tell the difference because you do not know the difference.
You don’t even live here and aren’t involved. You think you know the answer, but it’s not the answer people want because of repercussions.
Once again, I’m involved in groups that are resisting and coordinating. If your answer was seriously a good solution, it would have been done on any of the areas that ICE and CBP are active.
Feel free to respond, but I’m not responding anymore to someone that’s just spouting anger on a public forum and has no personal stake in things going on here.