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    You probably didnt know but marijuana is a racist word invented to blame Mexicans for cannabis consumption.

    Edit: As people seem to think this was meant in a condescending way: I really just wanted to get the info out. As we are in kind of a progressive bubble here on Lemmy I assumed that most people try to avoid using racist language and thus would appreciate this info if they dont already know. I at least was glad when told and would appreciate people telling me when I accidentally use racist language instead of keeping quiet and potentially judging me. Sorry I offended so many of you.

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      That cat isn’t going back in the bag. Marijuana is what we call weed.

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        I mean you do you, but there are dozens of words for it and I dont see the need to use the one invented by racists.

        Edit: invented by racists specifically to promote racism.

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                Would you say the same about the n-word? This is the exact same argument people used to make when the efforts of getting rid of its frequent use started growing.

                I dont see the point of not making informative statements in an already progressive bubble. How would you suggest I “focus the energy against enemies” in a lemmy thread aboud weed?

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                    Youre right, its not the same kind of term. Its the same argument though, thats what I said.

                    what good do you POSSIBLY expect to come from educating people about this?

                    Not sure if youre serious about passing on knowledge being useless, but Ill bite. I am simply basing it off my own efforts to avoid using problematic language. I very much appreciate people telling me when I use words like that and why they are problematic, so that I can potentially avoid them in the future.

                    Let me ask you the same: What do you expect to gain from me not educating people about the origins of the term? From people still connecting crime to minorities through language invented by racists for propaganda?

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              A 50ml bottle would be called what? The most common answer is a racist term for Japanese people and I have to correct almost every employee I have trained because of how common it is.

              The correct proper answer is a “mini” but there’s a more common term.

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                I honestly dont know what term you mean and I probably dont even know it, Im not a native English speaker.

                But whats your point though? That racist terms are common? Im sure they are, but should that prevent people from trying to avoid them?

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                  No, I was seeing if you were the kind of person to call out one “racist” term while ignoring another one because you don’t see it as one which is what others are doing here with marijuana.

                  I put “racist” in quotes because i believe you are mistaken as to why Hearst publications popularized the term marijuana. As I recall they popularized marijuana so they could push for a cannabis ban because hemp based papers, which had recent developments to increase their efficiency, would threaten Hearst’s paper processing plants. Had they pushed for a hemp/cannabis ban in their papers the medical community would have freaked out as it was in a bunch of medicines in that time. Thus marijuana was decried in the press.

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                    Interesting. Thats not the story I heard/read but Ill take a look again.

                    But yes, Im sure I also have “racist” or problematic terms in my vocabulary without knowing about them.

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        Im not specifically invested in making people stop using it, but I think most people dont know and theres really no need to use the one word invented by racists when theres literally hundreds of synonyms.

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          you’re getting mad at the wrong thing, everyone knows what MJ is weed, and they dont see it as a racist thing used to describe someone.

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            Literally not mad, just trying to inform. In my experience many people here make an effort not to use racist language, I at least would appreciate people telling me when I use such words without knowing.

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                I wouldnt say that it has no meaning anymore. Maybe not for you and many others, but weed still has a bad reputation with a lot of people and Im sure if you ask older folks some will tell you the Mexicans brought the devils lettuce to the US.

                Be that as it may, some people (like me) just dont like using words that were invented purely as a tool for racist propaganda. Why are so many of you so invested in making me stop informing people about this? I would not have wanted the person who told me first to just shut up about it because others convinced them its not worth pointing out.

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            I dont see a contradiction. Not everything a person says is meant to make other people do things. We are in a progressive bubble where I assume most people make an effort to not use racist language and when I see someone using it I inform them about it and however they use that information is up to them.

            How would you suggest I reword it? English is not my first language and it didnt seem pushy to me.

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                I never said you specifically should not use it. I said I dont see the need. And if others who read this also feel the same way, they might make the decision to stop using it. It amazes me how defensive people got, it was not my intention at all to make people feel bad. I just wanted to get the info out. Kind of feels like when people get mad at the sentence “I dont eat meat”. Like “How can you be so condescending”, “Why do you force your ideals on us”.

                Its a bit funny that all of you keep accusing me of “dividing people into camps” and “starting useless discussions”, while all I wrote was a neutral piece of information which could have stood on its own. The answers though, I feel like theyre very much trying to divide people into camps.

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        4 months ago

        I didnt say most people dont know. I was specifically talking to the person who used it.