Sorry if it sucks but I’m seeing red and I just had to say something before I blew a fucking gasket 😠 😠 😠 😠 😠 😠 😠 😠 😠 😠 😠 😠 😠 😠 😠 😠 😠
Never trust the court jesters of capitalism. If a “radical” political theorist makes it to fame and fortune it is because they have been allowed to do so.
Even before this Epstein shit, I knew he had severe liberal tendencies (yes even from an anarchist position) and yeah honestly he became a court jester for capitalism, but at least he has some good takes in his past. Like at a bare minimum he had Manufacturing Consent.
Unironically if you have an alternative recommendation for Manufacturing Consent that doesn’t have his prints on it, I’d love to see it because I’m so tired having to cite this fucking clown 😮💨
I know Parenti’s not a fan of us anarchists but I’ll take it, I’m so sick of Chomsky 😮💨
good theory is good theory, comrade
Don’t trade one goofball for another.
Yeah, they don’t get to be a tenured professor at a major university without jumping through the hoops of capital.
Very disappointing, but also incredibly confusing dare I say? I listened to a lot of Chomskys talks on YouTube, which have always been very critical of capitalism and the elite. Is the dude just too old to give a shit now? Either way, this should serve as a lesson to any anarchist. Idolize no one, unless they die a hero.
I listened to a lot of Chomskys talks on YouTube, which have always been very critical of capitalism and the elite.
Yeah if Chomsky is to be taken at his word, he was an anarcho-syndicalist. Too bad he betrayed his principles, if he ever really held them in the first place 😮💨.
Is the dude just too old to give a shit now?
One of my critiques of Chomsky even before this Epstein shit is that he’s too tolerant of monsters. For example, he defended freedom of speech, which okay cool, but even for fascists. I always chalked it up to the fact that he has been cancelled various times throughout his career for his anti-war stances and probably found the experience unenlightening, and the fact that he’s a bit of a liberal. And honestly, I can agree to disagree with others to some extent about who is worth talking to, especially since some of those people are more likely to listen to Chomsky based on his background and signals of privilege. And personally, I do lie closer to “I’m willing to talk it out” than “We should to beat up people with bad ideas”.
But this…this is beyond reasonable disagreement. Even if he ends up being cleared of Epstein-related crimes (which I gotta be real with you, I fully believe at this point that he knew what was going on), he is clearly in bed with the monsters destroying our world. Steve Bannon is not going to listen to a loony “”“leftist”“” like Chomsky, and Chomsky is not gonna get anything from Bannon that he couldn’t have figured out by watching the news.
Like even if Chomsky didn’t want to tell the guy off, he could have declined the invitation or left the room. And it’s Noam fucking Chomsky. No shot he didn’t know who Bannon was! And it would be an abdication of duty for a so-called leftist so-called academic to not know the names in his field. I.e. even if this was an accident on his part, it should seriously damage his credibility.
All this to say, Chomsky became what he wanted to destroy.
Idolize no one,
unless they die a hero.IMO we can pick and choose parts of a person to admire without idolizing them.
Freedom of speech just can’t be applied selectively, tho. One day you restrict someone’s speech, the next day they are in power and restrict yours. However, it doesn’t mean you have to listen to someone, but instead can easily tell 'em to go preach to other brain dead casualties of inbreeding in whatever shithole they currently occupy.
Freedom of speech just can’t be applied selectively, tho.
I mean, for freedom of speech with respect to the State, yeah I’m with you. But if I remember correctly, Chomsky was arguing against antifascists deplatforming fascists, using freedom of speech to justify that opinion, which I think is a weak argument because the whole point of deplatforming fascists is to allow the maximal subset of people to speak.
One day you restrict someone’s speech, the next day they are in power and restrict yours.
IMO deplatforming oppressive groups should be considered the maximalist position for freedom of speech. Letting them speak is equivalent to letting them win, which results in a net loss of free speech averaged over the whole community (e.g., LGBTQ people feel less likely to speak freely when homophobes are allowed to freely express LGBTQ-phobic views).
Fair, arguing against deplatforming is indeed retarded
I mean it would be nice if you could say that without throwing disabled people under the bus with that r slur. Which I’m sure you can, so I’m not sure why you’re choosing not to, especially since we’re an anarchist community and ableism is a hierarchical structure of domination.
Nah, no ofence to developmentally disabled dudes intended. As for the use of the word, I’d say it’s mostly due to my personal deeply negative outlook on language cleansings and some cultural differences. The former is about feds trying to enforce what we can and cannot say, so it’s not terribly relevant in this case, but the latter is more interesting: for example, in russian we have words “педераст”*/“пидор”, which without context are more or less equivalent to english “faggot”/“fag”, and would indeed be considered derogatory when applied to gay fellas; however, most often they’re used to either jokingly or not call sb a bad person and don’t imply anything about their sexual preferences. Even closer examples are “даун” (a short for a person with the Down syndrome, which is a currently used diagnosis, but hella rude when applied to them; use the full phrase if you ever want to speak about the disorder in russian) and “олигофрен” (pretty much “the r-word”, as you call it; also an old name for a medical diagnosis; quite rarely used nowadays since it doesn’t really roll of the tongue, but is actually somewhat acceptable in public if you want to call sb. out for their monumental stupidity). So, to me it’s quite unusual to somehow associate ppl currently living with a disorder with their historic negative image attached to a word that is no longer commonly used to refer to them; ppl live on their own, and so does that bunch of characteristics they back in the stone age were supposed to possess.
*technically, it’s derived from greek, and means “pedophile”, and was even used this way, I think, in the late USSR. Don’t really remember exactly, since it’s been a while since I went into that etymological rabbithole. So, yeah, even the image changes from time to time
Yeah but if you chose a different word you wouldn’t have to later clarify that you stand with disabled people
One of my critiques of Chomsky even before this Epstein shit is that he’s too tolerant of monsters.
Ofc… He’s spent his entire career at the heart of the MIC. His co-workers are almost entirely monsters.
Chomsky shows up pretty often in the Epstein emails too.
context? i don’t recognize either of these people.
Left: Steve Bannon. Republican strategist, Trump ally, active fascist piece of shit.
Right: Noam Chomsky. Linguist, activist, self-descibed anarchist. If you asked him, he would say he’s one of us. Many of us here probably read Chomsky. Frankly, most people on the left, even non-anarchists, routinely use the logic in Manufacturing Consent to analyze how capitalist media manufactures consent from the working class for their various atrocities.
I’ve had my critiques of Chomsky for a long time, but his apparently deep connections with Epstein (not just this picture) and willingness to talk politely to fascists are absolutely beyond the pale.
I took the photo straight from the pictures released yesterday by the House Oversight Democrats, which itself came from the estate of Jeffrey Epstein.
Photo from the Epstein estate of Noam Chomsky and Steven Bannon
Looks like Noam Chomsky embracing Steve Bannon
I don’t consider it possible for any anarchists to be heroes. They are just people who say message. This is the reason I like V. They even say who I am isn’t important, just a person in a mask, not to hide their identity but to erase it.
This is the same reason I still like listening to anti-flag. The message behind the songs remains the same no matter how horrible the person singing them is, although I anyone wants to make a cover version I would probably like that more.
With media you could go even further and put a sarcastic twist on a message and make it mean the complete opposite of what the artist intended.
All humans are flawed, those that seek fame more than most.
Flawed people can have good and bad ideas and do good and bad things. Trying to sort reality into goodies and baddies is folly.
This is out of context; Chomsky has Steve locked with his right arm and about to deliver a throat strike with the side of his left hand
Manufacturing A Beating
Since he supported Robert faurisson he was bad… Before 1980 🤷♀️
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Honestly, I find this pairing hilarious. Both extremes are sanctimonious about their position. Both extremes are where creeps go to manipulate people.
