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It is probably due to a number of people stopping using their alts after some instance hopping.

Also a few people who came to see how it was, and weren’t attracted enough to become regular visitors.

Curious to see at which number we’ll stabilize.

Next peak will probably happen after either major features release (e.g. exhaustive mod tools allowing reluctant communities to move from Reddit) or the next Reddit fuck up (e.g. removing old.reddit)

Stats on each server: https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/list

  • WoodenBleachers@lemmy.world
    17112·
    2 years ago

    Maybe it’s because the content here just isn’t as vast. I’m nkt going back to reddit for awhile, but there’s so little to see on lemmy to me. Despite numerous subscriptions, I see very few memes and far too much political content. Of that political content it’s all the same. Sometimes this place feels like a hive-mind. Not that Reddit wasn’t, but it depended on the sub. Now it’s shaped by instance and everything here just feels stale

    • Hot Saucerman@lemmy.mlBannedEnglish
      1211·
      2 years ago

      I see very few memes and far too much political content. Of that political content it’s all the same.

      That’s funny because the meme subs still far outpace posting from politics subs for me, and I mostly see memes.

      In fact, a few weeks ago, there were lots of complaints in meme comments of how the only thing they saw on the site was memes.

        • Hot Saucerman@lemmy.mlBannedEnglish
          37·
          2 years ago

          So just like reddit 14 years ago when I first left Digg for greener pastures. When I joined, it was years before my local city subreddit sprang to life, and for years, it had around 1000 active accounts and only now has over 10k accounts.

          Man, if the people on reddit back in the day had sat around complaining about lack of content like this, the site would have died. Instead they started making fucking content.

          It takes time for communities to grow, and it feels like a lot of the folks who left reddit only ever knew reddit as a ready-made-community filled with thousands of people already. As in, they were latecomers and missed all the slow growth.

          • TwilightVulpine@lemmy.worldEnglish
            88·
            2 years ago

            Well, considering we are in a post about the userbase shrinking maybe the situation is not quite the same.

            I also don’t have that kind of time and energy to get a whole community running just for the kicks anymore, and I definitely do not appreciate to have the deficiencies of this place thrown on my face as if that’s my responsibility. It’s not exactly welcoming or motivating.

            • Hot Saucerman@lemmy.mlBannedEnglish
              19·
              2 years ago

              Well, considering we are in a post about the userbase shrinking maybe the situation is not quite the same.

              Reddit admins literally ran bot accounts to fill content on reddit and make it seem more active at first. The users who came from Digg had similar complaints, and reddit userbase fluctuated at lot in the first few years. It’s actually exactly the same (minus the admins using bots to make it seem more active).

              I also don’t have that kind of time and energy to get a whole community running just for the kicks anymore

              No one is asking you, specifically, to do it.

              • TwilightVulpine@lemmy.worldEnglish
                33·
                2 years ago

                Eh, remains to be seen. The pacing of the internet today is very different.

                No one is asking you, specifically, to do it.

                Then don’t get on my case for not liking the lack of content, geez!

                • Hot Saucerman@lemmy.mlBannedEnglish
                  84·
                  2 years ago

                  Sorry, I just think it’s a dumb, entitled complaint. I’m not asking you to do anything other than stop whinging.

        • Hot Saucerman@lemmy.mlBannedEnglish
          264·
          2 years ago

          I quite like beehaw and their communities, and yeah, you’re missing out on those if you’re on world, from what I understand. (Fairly sure they’re still defederated.)

          I personally like lemmy.ml, but I know it’s not for everyone, and the admins would prefer to keep it a smaller instance, I think. I’m only here because there weren’t as many federated servers three years ago when I made an account.

          You also might check out !196@lemmy.blahaj.zone, they flood my feed with good memes.

        • atocci@kbin.social
          81·
          2 years ago

          Kbin is a nice alternative. Content cycles out of Hot a lot faster on here.

          You also get microblogging support on here, so you have access to the Mastodon side of the fediverse as well without having to copy and paste links.

          • LoopingRiver@lemm.ee
            4·
            2 years ago

            Are there any decent iOS apps for kbin yet? I almost never browse these sites on desktop (hence why I have completely left Reddit since Apollo died).

            Currently using Memmy on iOS which is great.

            • jwr1@kbin.social
              5·
              2 years ago

              Kbin doesn’t have an api yet, so apps aren’t supported (there are some in the works though for when the api goes public). In the meantime, you can install the pwa through a browser.

            • pgetsos@kbin.social
              2·
              2 years ago

              The PWA is very decent for a basic browsing experience. There are a few in the works, most notable being Artemis which is now in public beta I think. It uses the new Kbin API which is also in beta.

              For now, the app can only be used with the artemis.camp instance, but soon Kbin.social and the rest Kbin instances will use the API and be usable with the app as well. It is inspired by Apollo btw

      • TrustingZebra@lemmy.one
        6·
        2 years ago

        Even the memes are pretty stale, definitely not dank. Many of these memes are reposts of stuff I saw years ago on Reddit.

    • Kichae@kbin.social
      391·
      2 years ago

      I see very few memes and far too much political content

      Where are you even looking? My timeline is flooded with memes all the damn time. They’re practically drowning out any posts of value at this point.

      • oce 🐆@jlai.lu
        2·
        2 years ago

        You should block the meme communities if you dislike it, keep the communities with contributions you like.

    • deweydecibel@lemmy.worldEnglish
      15·
      2 years ago

      Not that Reddit wasn’t, but it depended on the sub. Now it’s shaped by instance and everything here just feels stale

      Been saying this for months. No one seems to understand what made reddit grow, and it is ironically very much like /r/place when you get down to it:

      Reddit was a singular canvas that all users worked on together. Posts, comments, and voting shaped the site as a whole. The front page of Reddit was the result of it’s userbase, and it’s userbase was diverse. Because Reddit forced all users, of all backgrounds and ideologies, to exist together in the same space, and work on the same canvas, it created something living and varied.

      You may not have ever gotten along with people from a certain subreddit in th comments, but I promise, the two of you worked together at one point to get a post to the front page or a comment to the top, and you didn’t even know it. Thos little moments where diametrically opposed people shared a liking of something by how they voted. On the surface, everyone bickered. Under the hood, they were all unknowingly agreeing and cooperating all the time, and that was what powered reddit’s engine: it’s diverse userbase’s activity.

      That’s why gated communities like Tildes and all these curated instances will never reach Reddit levels: they are starving the engine.

      • kopper [they/them]@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        7·
        2 years ago

        That’s why gated communities like Tildes and all these curated instances will never reach Reddit levels: they are starving the engine.

        The phrasing here kinda implies this is a bad thing and everyone should be focused on 🚀 constant growth 🚀.

        Tildes in particular has an extreme focus on quality over quantity and has some really interesting ideas on moderation (that haven’t been implemented due to lack of time on Deimos’ part). The site is still considered an alpha after all this time.

    • buzziebee@lemmy.world
      11·
      2 years ago

      I think the default activity sort is part of the problem. Sorting by activity means everyone is just looking at and engaging with the same topics for 24 hours or so. There needs to be some “hot” category or something so that new stuff gets churned through a bit more regularly. New is too new, top is even more stale, activity causes things with high activity to stay high. It makes for very samey content.

        • sure@lemmy.ml
          13·
          2 years ago

          In my experience, Active and Hot have been opposite extremes of freshness. Active shows posts that are more than a day old, and Hot shows posts that have no comments and are just a couple of minutes old.

          Not to say it’s all bad. Your post was just a couple of scrolls down on my feed.

          • datavoid@lemmy.mlEnglish
            3·
            2 years ago

            I vote for sorting by new comments… I’m generally entertained with this setup

        • D2L@lemmy.oneEnglish
          8·
          2 years ago

          Have they finally fixed this to not show old posts out of nowhere in the “Hot” feed? I’ve been avoiding this sorting because of that and hadn’t read anything about it being corrected… yet.

    • UnpopularBrainRot@lemm.ee
      83·
      2 years ago

      I see very few memes and far too much political content.

      This is what is turning me off from lemmy, worst of it I see a lot of shitty political memes, it wasn’t this bad at the beginning of the reddit exodus.

      And then there isn’t seem to be a neutral instance, I was in world and then they banned the piracy community, I moved to lemm.ee and all I see is stupid hexbear posts, I appreciate that they don’t defederate willy nilly but Lemmy urgently needs the block instance feature from user level.

      • lagomorphlecture@lemmy.world
        2·
        2 years ago

        In the meantime there are some apps that “block” instances. Connect has it, but it doesn’t fully block the instance, more like it shows up in the feed with a content warning that the message is from a blocked instance and you can choose to view it if you want. I also do think lemm.ee will defederate from hexbear pretty soon. The admin has had personally horrendous experiences with their users and that meta thread about it was a dumpster fire of hexbear users making unrelated political comments and blocking the actual instance users from having a discussion. It got locked at almost 2000 comments so I’m sure he’s still digging through that toxic waste to make his decision.

  • magic_lobster_party@kbin.social
    13513·
    2 years ago

    The cope is strong. Let’s not pretend fewer active users is a good thing. It just means people are unhappy and are leaving.

    • devious@lemmy.world
      441·
      2 years ago

      If the stats are accurate then this is not necessarily due to people being unhappy and leaving as both comments and posts are still stable - indicating that the lower active count are lurkers, duplicates or otherwise non engaging accounts.

      https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/stats

      That said, you can come up with statistics to prove anything! Forfty percent of all people know that.

      • Gatsby@discuss.online
        12·
        2 years ago

        duplicates or otherwise non engaging accounts.

        Yeah, I wouldn’t be surprised if duplicate accounts are a part of this but that seems like it would be a natural part of growing pains for lemmy. The way the fediverse is built would suggest that people who are serious about long-term participation may bounce around a bit. For example, I joined in June but in that time I still managed to test out two other instances before settling on a third that seemed to strike the ideal balance between admin policies and reliable uptime to suit my needs.

    • Rhabuko@feddit.de
      36·
      2 years ago

      Yup if I hadn’t blocked several communities from appearing constantly in my feed, I would leave too.

    • Nutterthebutter@lemmy.world
      20·
      2 years ago

      Right. Everything negative about Lemmy is being turned into a positive for some reason. Truth is this is still a difficult concept for a lot of people to get on board with and the overall reliability of instances leaves much to be desired. All we need to do is continue to contribute and see what takes off.

    • Blaze@discuss.tchncs.deOP
      12·
      2 years ago

      As I said in a comment below, I would like this to be a signal for interest groups to choose one of the dozens communities they have, stick to one and make it grow.

      Looking at gaming or books, always seems detrimental to have the . world, .ml, .sh.itjust.works and so on with the same content posted everywhere.

  • Oppawaifu@lemmy.sdf.org
    1021·
    2 years ago

    There is no infinite doomscroll on Lemmy and that’s what I used to do on Reddit. Now, I just read the top headlines and touch grass :)

  • Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    971·
    2 years ago

    lemmy.world being down half the time probably made a lot of people think that this platform is trash and left.

  • Margot Robbie@lemm.ee
    91·
    2 years ago

    And at the beginning everyone was worried about “Eternal September”. It’s only been two months.

    People will come in waves, instances and communities will grow and die, just like how it was on reddit, we’ll probably start seeing meme/politics free or even more specialized instances soon. But all of this is going to take time.

    The turning point will be when companies/websites start spinning up their own Lemmy instances as their official one to replace their forums, which I think will happen.

    So, being on Lemmy is a long term investment for me.

      • Margot Robbie@lemm.ee
        23·
        2 years ago

        Hopefully this works out, gotta get that first mover advantage in, then Lemmy’s only real celebrity will be recognized as the marketing genius that she is. :)

        I like Lemmy better when it’s when it’s nicer and quieter a month ago honestly.

        • Blaze@discuss.tchncs.deOP
          6·
          2 years ago

          Ha ha :)

          Same feeling here, browsing All now is cumbersome due to the low quality of the average content dropping

          • Margot Robbie@lemm.ee
            8·
            2 years ago

            Yeah, so that’s why I’m expecting way more alt hopping and defederations and people splitting into smaller groups soon until everything finally settles.

            One of advantage of the fediverse honestly that it prevents powertripping mods, since it’s so easy to move to another community on the same topic on a different instance with different admins and mods, and while a person can be banned off a particular comm or instance, they can’t be banned from Lemmy as a whole, so reputation matters a lot more right now when everybody kinda knows each other here.

            • aka_oscar@beehaw.org
              1·
              2 years ago

              Id say finding the latest comment is harder here. Sure, its not that hard when looking post replies. But comment replies? They can be nested, pretty much buried behind the “See more replies” button.

                • aka_oscar@beehaw.org
                  1·
                  2 years ago

                  Oh i wouldnt say its worse at all. I prefer nested replies all the way. Regardless, i still wouldnt say lemmy fits the forum format, again due to the way you access the most recent replies.

                  In a forum thread, you go to the last page and youve found the latest comment. In a Lemmy post, even if the nested comments arent hidden, its not obvious at first glance which one is the latest comment.

                  Also, if you “bookmark” a forum thread, youll get notified of any new replies in said thread. On Lemmy, you can check the latest comments from an entire instance or community. But not for a specific post.

                  Again, id never phrase lemmys format as worse, for i greatly prefer it. But i wouldnt consider it a forum. It simply displays the information diferently

  • squidzorz@lemmy.worldEnglish
    929·
    2 years ago

    I’m getting pretty tired of the obvious “Big tech company bad, Twitter dead, Linux good” bias that Lemmy seems to have. It’s definitely decreased my usage over the last week or two. I guess it kind of comes with the territory given Lemmy is a more complicated platform that will naturally attract more tech-oriented users, but it’s still getting super old seeing the same flavor posts every single day.

    • sheogorath@lemmy.world
      29·
      2 years ago

      The biggest issue for me is the stale posts keep showing on my feed. Either the posts are too old, or it’s too new with low engagement. I think the sweet spot for me is when a post is in its 1/3 of its lifecycle. Already got a discussion going but not too far that I can’t engage meaningfully.

      • charlytune@mander.xyz
        9·
        2 years ago

        I find sorting by ‘Top’ either 6 hours or 12 hours helps me see new posts I’ve not seen that have decent engagement

      • Myro@lemm.ee
        2·
        2 years ago

        What’s annoying as well is that if you browse Everything, there’s bots reposting stuff from reddit at the same time, so posts from certain communities are all clumped together.

      • bugsmith@programming.dev
        15·
        2 years ago

        I get it with the others, but given what Google is currently trying to do with Chrome and the open web, I think the Firefox evangelism is the least sinful of these by far. Or maybe I just became part of the problem.

          • bugsmith@programming.dev
            5·
            2 years ago

            It’s not even that these evangelizers think we should all be using the same browser. It’s that there are currently only two realistic choices: Chrome (and it’s derivatives) and Firefox (and it’s derivatives). There is safari too, of course, but it hardly compares to either in it’s current state.

            Given those two choices, only one of them is in support of the open web. The other is literally trying to add DRM to the web.

            As to your first point: I agree that here it may be preaching to the choir and that we all get it. But it has such a small marketshare, I’m not sure it is good for those encouraging it to be quitened.

      • PutangInaMo@lemmy.world
        4·
        2 years ago

        Yeah but it’s like screaming into the void sometimes. You just hope more people somehow discover the community. A lot of my interesting communities are pretty much dead now, so I just subbed to a bunch of porn and get on here once a day to look at boobs.

    • Rhabuko@feddit.de
      72·
      2 years ago

      I agree. The FOSS movement is its own subculture that can be pretty preachy and annoying for outside people.

    • pexavc@lemm.ee
      51·
      2 years ago

      Opinions definitely feel stronger on lemmy, with a sense of judgement roaming around. But, for what it is worth, I found it lead to some actual discussions that I rarely find on other sites.

  • provomeister@lemmy.ca
    78·
    2 years ago

    Switching between “Active” and “Top [1h/6h/12h]” at different times of the day has provided me with enough content & interactions to make Lemmy my new home. I always was a lurker on the old site, no comment nor post, not even an account. Now, I’m slowly trying to break from this habit. Being on Lemmy feels like I’m not shouting in the void; when a platform gets too big, you get lost in the crowd. It’s always nice to see recurring usernames on different communities.

  • regalia@literature.cafe
    681·
    2 years ago

    It always dies down after the initial hype. It seems pretty stable now. Compare it to pre-exodus and it is still like hundreds of times more popular then before.

  • Polar@lemmy.ca
    55·
    2 years ago

    I dropped off because I am unbelievably sick of seeing the same thing posted across 20 different communities. No matter which sort I am using, my front page is CLUTTERED with the same crap.

  • interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml
    512·
    2 years ago

    There are many fatal problems on Lemmy, worst of all is you can’t click this link /c/books and see every /c/book on every Lemmy instance of the fediverse. This is out of convenience to moderators and it is killing Lemmy. One people figure out communities only exist on a single instance, the promise of federation is broken and they fuck off.

      • interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml
        1·
        2 years ago

        They don’t but they get aglomerated together anyway for having the same name . The community is the whole, which specific instance is hosting a particular /c/book post doesn’t matter. That it is on /c/book is what matters, not that it is on Lemmy.world

          • interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml
            11·
            2 years ago

            If people have to hunt each post storage location individually, then it will be as if they don’t exist to 99.99% users. What will happen is there will be one big one, and they most likely be all on the big instance, and federation becomes just a weird thing that does nothing because functionally that will be just like Reddit. Centralized servers, centralized servers under the control of a tiny priesthood.

            • JackbyDev@programming.devEnglish
              1·
              2 years ago

              Not at all. Reddit has communities that are similar but with different names, rules, and culture and different people use them because they want different experiences. The same is true here.

              • interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml
                11·
                2 years ago

                The crucial difference is that those are differentiated by having a unique name, note a unique hostname. Which hard drive a community is stored should not be considered an important aspect of that community. It only specifies who is allowed to delete and edit content posted to that harddrive

                • JackbyDev@programming.devEnglish
                  1·
                  2 years ago

                  That’s like saying everyone that lives on 123 Main St is the same regardless of the city or everyone with the email “Bob” is the same regardless of what their email provider is.

    • KᑌᔕᕼIᗩ@lemmy.mlEnglish
      6·
      2 years ago

      I would love to see something like this where it shows you content from communities with the same name across whatever your server is federated with.

    • stalinblows@discuss.tchncs.de
      127·
      2 years ago

      There is no way for a user to block whole instances, there is no way to know if you’ve been banned from a community or instance, it’s extremely easy for people to evade bans and blocks, you can’t make private communities, armies of extremists are brigading other instances and they’re exploiting Lemmy’s flaws to do it, the list goes on and on.

      Lemmy blows, but give the rubes time. They’ll figure it out.

      • Chapo_is_Red [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
        5·
        2 years ago

        armies of extremists are brigading other instances and they’re exploiting Lemmy’s flaws to do it

        It crazy how these people can get their bs to show up in my main feed, and then if I comment on it they call me a troll

      • wanderingmagus@lemm.ee
        3·
        2 years ago

        There’s instance-wide blocking on the Connect for Lemmy app, including the option to block everything or only block the communities of that instance and not users. You can make a private community by not federating with anyone on a private instance.

        • bitsplease@lemmy.ml
          1·
          2 years ago

          does this also block comments, or only posts? Sync has a similar feature, but only for posts, once inside a post you’re still subjected to their comments. Which for troll communities is honestly the worst part

          • CoderKat@lemm.eeEnglish
            2·
            2 years ago

            IMO ideally there’d be two separate options. I want to block stuff like foreign language instances or some niche instances so that I don’t see communities hosted on them, but I don’t want to block the users from those instances when they post in other communities.

          • wanderingmagus@lemm.ee
            1·
            2 years ago

            Connect for Lemmy has an option for blocking both. The comment still shows, but as “blocked by filter”, which hides the content until clicked on, and can be re-hid.

        • stalinblows@discuss.tchncs.de
          1·
          2 years ago

          Those are just cop-outs. They need to be hard-coded features on the original Lemmy app. If we have to rely on third-party apps for it, we can and should just use another fediverse app entirely.

          I hope someone forks Lemmy at some point.

      • interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml
        13·
        2 years ago

        That’s a trivial problem to fix client side. Same as any regular spam filter. If Lemmy gives that power server side to be moderators instead of clients, then Lemmy will become a North Korea style dictatorship like Reddit.

  • imgonnatrythis@lemm.ee
    513·
    2 years ago

    Pretty sure it’s going to just be like 12 of us. If the third party app thing on reddit didn’t drive users here, unfortunately I don’t think anything else will. At this point if you are already content with the reddit app it’s going to be a hard sell to say, yeah come check out Lemmy, it’s like reddit but if you have a question about your sick betta fish instead of getting a helpful answer in a few minutes, you need to first create a betta fish community, then go back on reddit and recruit users to your Lemmy community. Post content on it daily to maintain interest, and then, if you are really lucky, ask your question and wait a few months and maybe if your fish is still alive (doubtful), you might get a response, but it will probably be just be an anticapitalist shit-post. I’m sorry to say it is this way, but this be the way that it is.

    • Venus [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
      682·
      2 years ago

      Pretty sure it’s going to just be like 12 of us

      Hexbear has been very active for 3 years before we even federated. There’s plenty of room for growth. We’re not going to become reddit (and that’s a good thing) but acting like it’s just going to die (or is already dead) is just ridiculous

    • Blaze@discuss.tchncs.deOP
      152·
      2 years ago

      12 of us

      I’m fine with 12 of us if everyone is active.

      Hopefully by then we’ll have a few active communities and not hundreds of ghost towns like now

    • mars [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
      101·
      2 years ago

      Long time hexbear user, I’ve actually had pretty good luck getting input on non-political questions. No sick fish, but I’ve asked quite a variety of questions and gotten help. Maybe I would have gotten a higher quality answer on Reddit, but my experience with modern reddit (last 6ish years) has been hit or miss. Reminds me in a way of the forums I used back in the really 2000s. Even though the forums I was on were primarily oriented around tabletop gaming, the “general/off-topic” sections would have quite a variety of people and interests. And those people, since they all had a common interest, were far more talkative and generous with their time than what I’ve experienced in Reddit. IMO this makes up for the smaller population. Hexbear has that vibe for me, just with a non-sectarian socialist shitposting focus. Which works for me.

    • defunct_punk@lemmy.world
      72·
      2 years ago

      Summed up my feelings too. Reddit’s larger communities were trash, but for really specific questions, it was unbeatable. Not to mention the fact that most Lemmy pages are either tech-related or tankie propaganda. There’s very little in the way of active hobby/lifestyle boards so unless you’re in either a nerd (non-derogatory) or a communist (derogatory), Lemmy’s not got much going on for you

    • UncleGrandPa@lemmy.world
      4·
      2 years ago

      Well, i am here directly due to reddit policy changes. The loss of a viable mobile option forced me here. I can’t believe I am not an average case. I am enjoying this experience so far and will definitely spread the word. But i will continue to use reddit on the computer… I am surprised that there are only 60,000 of us here though.

    • Blaze@discuss.tchncs.deOP
      15·
      2 years ago

      Active users half year is still climbing so we have people coming in.

      If people were coming in, shouldn’t the monthly active users increase as well?

      If the MAU is decreasing, it means that we are losing more people than people joining. On your graph, the MAU trend is clearly decreasing.

      Maybe I’m missing something?