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So I was going through /all and this admin is snooping at vote counts for posts in his instance and then posting it publicly.

Just a reminder that these kind of petty people exist. Pick a trustworthy instance or better yet, host your own.

Archive: https://archive.md/oybyL

  • AngryishHumanoid@reddthat.com
    472·
    1 year ago

    Lol:

    “All those account outside of monero.town are most likely angry commies that just follow posts from here to downvote.”

    People outside my echo chamber think I’m an asshole, it must be a conspiracy!

  • davel [he/him]@lemmy.mlEnglish
    442·
    1 year ago

    We do see the votes. Publicly posting them sounds like poor form, but then what do you expect from crypto bros?

    Pick a trustworthy instance or better yet, host your own.

    Running your own instance isn’t going to hide your votes.

    • On@kbin.social
      8·
      1 year ago

      I’m curious, If I delete my account periodically, are the profile and activity like comments/votes still out there in other instances? are votes deducted? I’m not sure if this is the right question but does deleting accounts federate?

      • taladar@sh.itjust.works
        4·
        1 year ago

        I am not sure about the details of intended behaviour but it certainly won’t federate to anyone deliberately disabling that part of federation so for privacy purposes you might as well assume that it doesn’t federate.

  • crispy_kilt@feddit.de
    372·
    1 year ago

    Guys. The person running the website you use always can do and see everything

    This has nothing to do with lemmy

      • 7heo@lemmy.ml
        7·
        1 year ago

        No. A simple website won’t help, it needs to be a Lemmy instance. Moreover, it needs to be a federated one.

        And then, that “invisible” data being available to other admins, is a problem with federation, not with Lemmy.

        Now, there could very well be efforts made to make the cleartext data of each instance users available only to the admins of that instance (and only share aggregated data with other instances), but that would also require a lot more consideration wrt mutual instance trust in the network.

        Right now, since votes and other actions are public (to the federated instances admins anyway), it is doable to detect and assert foul play. The downside of this is that it allows abusers to malevolently collect data and do the same bad things that you are so certain the alternatives to Lemmy don’t do (yeah, as if).

        If the instances shared only aggregated data with one another, it would be much harder for abusive small instance owners to spy on any user on the network (still possible, but it would essentially would be as hard as for anyone else, as it would involve heuristics and lots of intelligence, to interpolate the missing information); but it would also be much harder for legit admins trying to enforce moderation to inspect what happened on federated instances. They would have to take those instance’s admins at their words.

        As an additional note: that “invisible” data that other platforms allegedly don’t share, is for sale. That’s what surveillance capitalism is all about… At least with Lemmy, the barrier of entry to get our data is “federation”, not “money”.

        Edit: WTF bro, a day and a half before writing this wrong comment I’m answering to, you wrote a properly worded, technically correct (top level) comment… Were you half asleep on this one??

        Edit 2: nah, the reason why your other comment was technically correct and properly worded is that you stole it (would have been so easy to give credit…) SMH. 😮‍💨

        Edit 3: So I checked your comment history (after seeing that other comment of yours about the user that mass downvoted you, I was legit curious how bad it could have been), you seem technically knowledgeable, and also educated. Thus, I reiterate, this specific comment, what gives!?

        Edit 4: lol at your edit. 😶‍🌫️

          • 7heo@lemmy.ml
            1·
            1 year ago

            I’m actually curious to know if federated instances share the data of their federated instances… if so, there is a proper reason to be actually alarmed, as ACLs would essentially be cosmetic only.

              • 7heo@lemmy.ml
                1·
                1 year ago

                Well, as in let’s say instance A is federated to B, B federated to C, A blacklisted C.

                So, clearly, A isn’t getting data about C. It will drop it on ingress (I expect).

                But, will C have access to the exact same data about A, through B, that it would have access to from A if not blocked by A?

  • CaptPretentious@lemmy.world
    93·
    1 year ago

    Oh good, Lemmy had no privacy. Not like that ability isn’t going to be abused.

    Either make it public right from the start everyone sees everything. Or make this crap not possible.

    You’re going to get echo chambers that start witch hunts. Someone is going to dox someone because they don’t like how someone votes… Yadda yadda someone gets swatted or someone just shows up… Then someone’s going to start cheering “We did it Lemmy!”…

    Honestly at least with Reddit you had one single evil entity that would abuse their power and trust of users.

  • Annoyed_🦀 @monyet.cc
    6·
    1 year ago

    I think the main complain anyone would have with this is, only we admin can look at the vote, and no one else can. This isn’t a problem in Kbin or any other platform that allow one to do so.

    I only check the vote to see if there’s any brigading, other than that, i have no issue with other admins snooping or whatever. Ohh to be clear, all of us admin can see the vote everywhere, getting a new instance yourself will not solve anything.

      • Maestro@kbin.social
        61·
        1 year ago

        Why not allow anyone to see the votes? Anyone already can by using kbin or spinning up their own instance.

        • Red Wizard 🪄@lemmygrad.ml
          5·
          1 year ago

          I think there is an assumption that is rooted in how reddit worked, that votes are anonymous. People operating under that assumption might not like having that blanket ripped off. It would be different if it was up front from the start.

  • Omega_Haxors@lemmy.mlEnglish
    2·
    1 year ago

    From what I understand votes are publicly available data, Lemmy just chooses to hide them to prevent the “chilling effect” where people feel afraid to vote honesty for fear of repercussions. Then they reintroduced it for admins so they can do their duties in stopping vote manipulation, for example people who go onto your profile and downvote literally every comment you make (it’s already happened to me like 3 times) or those who use all of their alts to try and sway momentum on a comment their main makes. There’s also times where there’s no justification for a comment being upvoted; perfect example is when a nazi says “based” in response to an article about someone being racist and it gets like 20 upvotes. I don’t think anyone reasonable would be against a banwave on something like that.

    Obviously admins can see everything that goes through their servers for what should be obvious reasons, so this is more of a convenience thing. Moral of the story: don’t join shitty crypto instances.

  • forgotmylastusername@lemmy.ml
    2·
    1 year ago

    You would think adversarial actors would find this problematic in their own way. Does no one remember anymore way back when reddit was exposed as being an American state apparatus? Reddit owners its earlier more naive era used to share site metrics. They inadvertently revealed that large amounts of activity comes from a US military base. Then they wiped evidence and disavowed all knowledge that any of that ever happened. And now the narrative on there is that other state actors are the ones in control of that platform. How convenient.

    White hat actors could be using such open access to data to reveal whats in the data. That’s what the big social platforms are so scared of themselves. Not only is it their financial bread and butter. Contained within is who know how many skeletons piled up over the years.

    Everyones privacy these days is basically long gone. There’s illusion that internet platforms are in any way shape or form fair or balanced because of the paper thin concept of internet votes == democracy or something. Yet a lot of people stubbornly persist. It’s past due time to shine a light on the adversarial actors run amok. Show us the anomalies in data that reveal how the typical real human user is powerless against adversarial actors.

    I’d like to think it would be the last straw for the whole concept of social platforms at least the way that it is now. Who knows though. It’s also shown us how dumb people are. They could very well just “meh” and go back to mindlessly infinite scrolling.