Yes the entire chavista movement is maga now, which is why all of PSUV is voting in unity and all tens of thousands of grassroots communes with millions of people collectively are supporting their party. The first ever pay off of an entire nation of people to become compradors
Doomers still can’t answer why those communes haven’t risen up to overthrow the compradors yet. Unlike what passes as the left in the West, they are armed and organized. I guess the collective membership of the communes all just lost their guns in the mail one day.
It really is just a case of them having 0 information about the conditions of Venezuela, seeing a headline, and making an assumption based on that headline. This is typical lib shit but it is concerning when people are acting like they are leftists while doing it.
Unlike Iran, militias were subservient to the military, unlike the IRGC having politics in command. However, nobody wants a Grenada Jewel Movement civil war so the situation is complex. A few weeks or months ago some peasants were killed and not much was done.
They didn’t overthrow Gorbachev because Soviet society had already been sufficiently weakened by Khrushchev. And they did protest over Khrushchev. Khrushchev had to purge and sideline people like Molotov on top of putting down protests from ordinary Soviet citizens. So where are the protests against Rodriguez and purges that Rodriguez orchestrated?
There can’t be a Gorbachev without a Khrushchev first. If Rodriguez is the Gorbachev, is Maduro the Khrushchev?
Soviet society under Khrushchev was still far more socialist than the current Venezuelan administration. Venezuela’s revolution was incomplete to start with and has stagnated since that point, it’s never been as strong as even Khrushchev era USSR even at its peak under Chavez. That step (revisionism and liberalization and bringing back market forces) can be skipped entirely because it was never implemented in the first place. Venezuela never got it’s bourgeoise under control, it never restricted its market forces. There was constant tension and struggle, but the Venezuelan bourgeoise have now got the winning hand because they allied with the US and the US was willing to directly intervene to force the issue and push out the last holdouts against full Liberalization.
It’s just extremely odd to me that socialists would use the argument of “this socialist state is healthy and fine because we don’t see any internal revolt” when that’s exactly the state of rot we saw in all of the socialist projects (many FAR more advanced than Venezuela ever was) that have failed, slow stagnation, revisionism and decline without any major internal pushback big enough to stop it.
The #1 killer of socialist projects isn’t the CIA, it’s internal revisionism and apathy.
The pitfalls of democratic socialism and decades of hybrid warfare can erode society and restore capitalism. However I still have faith in communes and collectives since the most advanced have always been leagues ahead of the ruling govt organizationally and ideologically. Revisionism stemmed from the reformist character and apathy from sanctions and loss in faith in the project, presumably poor cadre formation and political education but I dunno. To me the principal contradiction is amerikkkan imperialism and it’s what intensifies and acts upon internal contradictions, even creating new ones, however placing too much emphasis on either is one-sided thinking, idk.
Whoah whoah whoah, are you suggesting people might need to know something about Venezuela before making sweeping doomer declarations? Fuck that, being a leftist is about vibes and being smarter than those third worlders
Yes the entire chavista movement is maga now, which is why all of PSUV is voting in unity and all tens of thousands of grassroots communes with millions of people collectively are supporting their party. The first ever pay off of an entire nation of people to become compradors
Doomers still can’t answer why those communes haven’t risen up to overthrow the compradors yet. Unlike what passes as the left in the West, they are armed and organized. I guess the collective membership of the communes all just lost their guns in the mail one day.
It really is just a case of them having 0 information about the conditions of Venezuela, seeing a headline, and making an assumption based on that headline. This is typical lib shit but it is concerning when people are acting like they are leftists while doing it.
Unlike Iran, militias were subservient to the military, unlike the IRGC having politics in command. However, nobody wants a Grenada Jewel Movement civil war so the situation is complex. A few weeks or months ago some peasants were killed and not much was done.
Why didn’t the soviets overthrow Gorbachev? Loyalty and obedience overrides socialist principles, we’ve seen this dozens of times before.
They didn’t overthrow Gorbachev because Soviet society had already been sufficiently weakened by Khrushchev. And they did protest over Khrushchev. Khrushchev had to purge and sideline people like Molotov on top of putting down protests from ordinary Soviet citizens. So where are the protests against Rodriguez and purges that Rodriguez orchestrated?
There can’t be a Gorbachev without a Khrushchev first. If Rodriguez is the Gorbachev, is Maduro the Khrushchev?
Soviet society under Khrushchev was still far more socialist than the current Venezuelan administration. Venezuela’s revolution was incomplete to start with and has stagnated since that point, it’s never been as strong as even Khrushchev era USSR even at its peak under Chavez. That step (revisionism and liberalization and bringing back market forces) can be skipped entirely because it was never implemented in the first place. Venezuela never got it’s bourgeoise under control, it never restricted its market forces. There was constant tension and struggle, but the Venezuelan bourgeoise have now got the winning hand because they allied with the US and the US was willing to directly intervene to force the issue and push out the last holdouts against full Liberalization.
It’s just extremely odd to me that socialists would use the argument of “this socialist state is healthy and fine because we don’t see any internal revolt” when that’s exactly the state of rot we saw in all of the socialist projects (many FAR more advanced than Venezuela ever was) that have failed, slow stagnation, revisionism and decline without any major internal pushback big enough to stop it.
The #1 killer of socialist projects isn’t the CIA, it’s internal revisionism and apathy.
The pitfalls of democratic socialism and decades of hybrid warfare can erode society and restore capitalism. However I still have faith in communes and collectives since the most advanced have always been leagues ahead of the ruling govt organizationally and ideologically. Revisionism stemmed from the reformist character and apathy from sanctions and loss in faith in the project, presumably poor cadre formation and political education but I dunno. To me the principal contradiction is amerikkkan imperialism and it’s what intensifies and acts upon internal contradictions, even creating new ones, however placing too much emphasis on either is one-sided thinking, idk.
Whoah whoah whoah, are you suggesting people might need to know something about Venezuela before making sweeping doomer declarations? Fuck that, being a leftist is about vibes and being smarter than those third worlders
I’m dead.