Context (for those who don’t know): Israel and Palestine

  • MisterScruffy@lemmy.ml
    3·
    2 years ago

    One group was actually living there and the other group moved in and literally ripped people from their homes.

    • Roboticide@lemmy.world
      01·
      2 years ago

      That’s been happening for the last 5,000 years in that region though, since the Canaanites.

      It’s not like the Palestinians were the first there.

      • MisterScruffy@lemmy.ml
        2·
        2 years ago

        The Palestinians are descendants of the ancient canaanites. Most of the people in that region never left they just changed their religion at some point. This hasn’t always been happening, in Ottoman times Christians Jews and Muslims peacefully coexisted in the region.

        • Roboticide@lemmy.world
          02·
          2 years ago

          I mean, kinda? They’re also heavily descended from 7th Century AD Arabic conquerors, but yes, many other natives may have adopted Arabic culture, language and religion at that time.

          But Jewish culture is also derived from the Canaanite culture, with arguably more overlap. Jewish culture in the region can be traced back to at least the 9th Century BC, with the literal Kingdom of Israel. So the argument of “Well who was there first?” does not necessarily favor the Palestinians over the Israelis.

          This has always been happening though. It’s not like the Ottomans took over the region peacefully. It’s been conquered and re-conquered by Babylonians, Egyptians, Greeks, Romans…

          • MisterScruffy@lemmy.ml
            1·
            2 years ago

            Palestinian culture is also derived from canaanite culture. Arabs are semitic people and follow abrahamic traditions. When places get conquered usually the ruling class changes but the lower class people stay in their homes and just change language/religion/identity. Usually the new rulers don’t try to completely wipe out the inhabitants of their new land the way israel is doing with Palestinians

  • erranto@lemmy.world
    2·
    2 years ago

    Britain has planted the seeds of hatred and bloodshed in the middle east and is now acting as if it has no responsibility towards resolving the conflict.

    It is hard to watch the British media coverage of this war acting all outraged and surprised by the violence while being proud of their historical imperial inheritance .

    • Rubanski@lemm.ee
      1·
      2 years ago

      Britain and France are responsible for such an enormous fuck up in Asia, Africa and the middle east, past and present, it’s probably impossible to put it in numbers. The US gets bashed a lot (deservedly), but I think those two were planting something way more devastating for generations to come

  • jarfil@lemmy.ml
    1·
    2 years ago

    Alternate caption: “Zionists smuggling in settlers before the British mandate ended to have enough votes to create a State of Israel as a safe haven for Holocaust refugees, then getting populated mostly by Jews fleeing Arab countries out of fear of retaliation for having created the State of Israel a day early and having pushed most Palestinians out by force”

  • sweetpotato@lemmy.ml
    1·
    2 years ago

    “promising to give two different groups”? You mean the natives and the colonisers? Tf is this “meme”?

    • Rooty@lemmy.world
      0·
      2 years ago

      Even animals patrol and defend their territory. Why should human be any different? If anything else, borders are an improvement over constant skirmishes and raids where two different ethnic groups meet.

      EDIT: Interesting how you completely ignored the “Borders are a solution to constant ethnic clashes” part of my comment