• @Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    3 months ago

    So wait.

    GitHub is Microsoft?

    EDIT: Okay, fuck that. I was just getting all set up there but not now.

    I am trying to decide between PyCharm and VS Code for my Python IDE. I was leaning toward VS Code, but they’re Microsoft too, aren’t they?

    • @Yaky@slrpnk.net
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      483 months ago

      Has been since 2018, and acquisition news caused quite an upset at the time.

    • @merdaverse@lemmy.world
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      3 months ago

      Yes, also remember to completely avoid Typescript and C# since they are also Microsoft. And Rust since heavy ties to Amazon. Don’t look for a job on Linkedin (where most listings are posted) because that’s also Microsoft. Actually, just to spare you the time, avoid programming altogether and do something like farming, since no Big Tech influence there. /s

      • @Hudell@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        63 months ago

        I do like the work Microsoft has done with typescript itself, but more and more I’m seeing they are trying to tie up the language to VSCode, treating other editors as “second class citizens” for it and that has started to make me reconsider things.

      • @Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        3 months ago

        I’m retired and doing hobby projects in Python and java, so I get choices (including not playing) but wtf, big tech figured out how to take over open source?

        That’s particularly evil.

        • @merdaverse@lemmy.world
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          53 months ago

          A cynical explanation would be using the EEE theory to explain all of this.

          A more nuanced one would be that corporations benefit from open source since it creates an easier pipeline to onboard engineers and they also benefit from the free labor that people put into the projects out of passion. Whether they want to kill OSS after embracing it is debatable, but they definitely want to have as much leverage on it as possible.

          • @Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            73 months ago

            Bill Gates stated: “One thing we have got to change in our strategy – allowing Office documents to be rendered very well by other people’s browsers is one of the most destructive things we could do to the company. We have to stop putting any effort into this and make sure that Office documents very well depend on proprietary IE capabilities. Anything else is suicide for our platform. This is a case where Office has to avoid doing something to destroy Windows.”

            That Wikipedia is a gold mine of evil.

          • @Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            23 months ago

            I’m not trying to be like some HOLY MOUNTAIN that no unclean things can ever touch.

            I’m just trying to keep myself free. I’ll use people’s stuff. If that starts becoming bondage, I’m out

          • @Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            23 months ago

            I feel like a good illustration would be a bicycle.

            1. My bicycle works fine, a little slow, but it beats walking, and requires little to no outside resources or upkeep.
            2. My neighbor, Joe Microsoft, slaps an 80cc motor on my bike. It’s a lot faster, and less work for me, and Joe keeps it full of gas and tuned up, and fixes it when it breaks.
            3. I need Joe now to support my biking. I no longer have the resources to do it at this level, but Joe does.

            Is that about right? Are we selling open source for speed and convenience?

      • xigoi
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        03 months ago

        Yes, also remember to completely avoid Typescript and C# since they are also Microsoft.

        This, but unironically.

    • @theherk@lemmy.world
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      123 months ago

      Might check out Zed. Relatively new editor from the folks behind Atom and treesitter. Extremely fast with an excellent interface and vim mode. The second best vim mode behind Neovim.

      • @robber@lemmy.ml
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        53 months ago

        I’ve been testing Zed for the last couple weeks for some Vue / Nuxt projects. It works great for that and seems very stable so far, but is also developed by a for-profit. Curious to see how the Zedless project works out.

        • @theherk@lemmy.world
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          43 months ago

          I actually think their comments when it first went open source are pretty compelling. I don’t disagree with you and I’m interested to see how zedless fares, but new projects of this scale are tough to do well and quickly. I’m pretty happy with their current approach.

      • Justin
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        33 months ago

        Zed is great! Not as many features as IntelliJ, but insanely fast, and new features are being added all the time.

    • @nnullzz@lemmy.world
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      123 months ago

      PyCharm is a solid choice. It just works. But if you’re open to another editor, take a look at Zed. It has python support too. It’s super snappy and way less bloated than the others.

    • Jiří Král
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      113 months ago

      If you like VSCode you can try VSCodium which supports almost all features of VSCode but should be fully FOSS without Microsoft proprietary blobs.

    • @ghost_towels@sh.itjust.works
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      73 months ago

      I’m also very new to doing any type of programming, and also don’t remember things from last week lol. I use Kate, it’s from KDE which is from the Linux world but works on windows! They have some other good programs that also work on windows (and Mac too I think!) if you’re trying to extract yourself from there. I don’t know python very well so don’t know if Kate is the best choice compared to PyCharm for your use case, but might be a good allrounder.