As a Canadian, Canada has way more Nazis than people realize and the broader government tends pretend we don’t have a Nazi problem while certain politicians are full on embracing them (just look at Danielle Smith). It’s not as bad as in the US, but that’s a really low bar and isn’t exactly praiseworthy.
I’ve always preferred for people like this to self-identify so we know who they are. Creating a silence where hatred lives has never struck me as a good approach, but I get the argument that allowing hate speech unchecked can cause people to be swayed. On the other hand, it’s always terrific to see people running for office or otherwise aspiring to positions of power being thwarted by the classic surfacing of a picture of them showing their true colors…
I think the Right has a significant enough presence over here as to encourage our leadership to tread with care, lest they upset someone. It’s not good.
That said, the United States continues to oppose the Russian Federation’s manipulation of the UN system to spread disinformation. This resolution is a glaring example by Russia to further its contemporary geopolitical aims by invoking the Holocaust and the Second World War to malign countries that rightfully reject celebration of their years of brutal domination by the Soviet Union. This is all the more egregious now when Russia seeks to use a false accusation of Nazism to try to justify its unconscionable ongoing brutality against the people of Ukraine.
The Russian Federation’s resolution is not a serious effort to combat Nazism, antisemitism, racism, or xenophobia – all of which are abhorrent and unacceptable. On the contrary, Russia’s attempts to instrumentalize the history of the Holocaust and the Second World War to justify Russia’s aggression is an affront to Holocaust victims and to all who fought against Nazism. This resolution is a shameful political ploy. It is a thinly veiled effort to justify Russia’s war of aggression against Ukraine.
This is all the more egregious now when Russia seeks to use a false accusation of Nazism to try to justify its unconscionable ongoing brutality against the people of Ukraine.
Consortium News, 2015: The Mess That Nuland MadeAssistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland engineered Ukraine’s regime change without weighing the likely consequences.
Consortium News, 2023: The West’s Sabotage of Peace in UkraineFormer Israeli Prime Minister Bennett’s recent comments about getting his mediation efforts squashed in the early days of the war adds more to the growing pile of evidence that Western powers are intent on regime change in Russia.
You will notice that all of these stories are after 2014 though. The fascist movements was formed quite rapidly, but it was still in response to aggression by the Russian government and military, pardon, the Donetsk “miners and tractor drivers”. These new fascists (Azov batallion a prime example ) were/are made up of Russian speakers from eastern Ukraine!! Not the stereotypical russophobes from lviv.
Gee I wonder what actions of the Russian military or their “polite people” in eastern Ukraine might have led to this??
ukrainian nationalism (including its heinous forms) goes at least as far back as the russian revolution/civil war, and ideologically originated in late 19th century. but again, it was developed in response to the no less vicious russian imperialism
What? You mean there is not a single country without Nazis? Oh the heavens. Nazi groups in Ukraine are still an issue (as they are everywhere) but maybe something happened that was more important. Don’t know what though.
If you read the resolution and the answers of national governments why they abstained, the answer is found in points 4 and 14 of the resolution, where everyone who fought against the anti-Hitler coalition is condemned and equivocated with nazi-sympathisers. This does include people who opportunistically fought againt the Red Army in the baltic states and Ukraine for national liberation from the USSR, but not necessarily on the german side.
Yes, some of those “national liberation fighters” were absolute shitbag nazi scum, but not all of them were and history is generally more complex than just good and bad.
There was a movement to restrict those two points to language that does not automatically include these anti-soviet forces among the ranks of the nazis, but the changes were not adopted.
Some politicians posit the hypothesis that the resolution was worded in such a way through russian string pulling, because they wanted to be able to paint every anti-russian fighter in the time of the second world war as pro-Hitler.
Canada abstained? What the fuck, hosers?
Edit: wait all/most of Europe as well? WTF
Australia as well… I guess it’s white peoples’ fault after all.
As a Canadian, Canada has way more Nazis than people realize and the broader government tends pretend we don’t have a Nazi problem while certain politicians are full on embracing them (just look at Danielle Smith). It’s not as bad as in the US, but that’s a really low bar and isn’t exactly praiseworthy.
It’s amazing how Canada giving a standing ovation to a literal SS member has been so quickly memory holed.
I’ve always preferred for people like this to self-identify so we know who they are. Creating a silence where hatred lives has never struck me as a good approach, but I get the argument that allowing hate speech unchecked can cause people to be swayed. On the other hand, it’s always terrific to see people running for office or otherwise aspiring to positions of power being thwarted by the classic surfacing of a picture of them showing their true colors…
Canada has a large diaspora of Ukrainian Nazi sympathizers. They famously gave a Ukrainian Nazi a standing ovation in parliament.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/canada-speaker-apologizes-ukraine-nazi-veteran-honored-rcna117125
lmao I’m jealous at how easy the Russian propagandists have it sometimes
I think the Right has a significant enough presence over here as to encourage our leadership to tread with care, lest they upset someone. It’s not good.
From the US response:
Source: https://usun.usmission.gov/explanation-of-vote-for-the-third-committee-resolution-on-combating-glorification-of-nazism/
Seems like this was just Russian apologia to support their invasion of the Ukraine. Voting against doesn’t seem unreasonable in that context.
and I’m sure that from, say, 1991 to 2021, there were a lot of pictures of fascists, nazis, and other far-right riff-raff taken in Russia.
You will notice that all of these stories are after 2014 though. The fascist movements was formed quite rapidly, but it was still in response to aggression by the Russian government and military, pardon, the Donetsk “miners and tractor drivers”. These new fascists (Azov batallion a prime example ) were/are made up of Russian speakers from eastern Ukraine!! Not the stereotypical russophobes from lviv.
Gee I wonder what actions of the Russian military or their “polite people” in eastern Ukraine might have led to this??
The Banderite fascists didn’t suddenly spring into existence at the moment of their 2014 coup. They go all the way back to the 1930s.
ukrainian nationalism (including its heinous forms) goes at least as far back as the russian revolution/civil war, and ideologically originated in late 19th century. but again, it was developed in response to the no less vicious russian imperialism
What? You mean there is not a single country without Nazis? Oh the heavens. Nazi groups in Ukraine are still an issue (as they are everywhere) but maybe something happened that was more important. Don’t know what though.
Usa coup, 2014
Damn, all of south america, africa, and asia are russian bots now. /s
If you read the resolution and the answers of national governments why they abstained, the answer is found in points 4 and 14 of the resolution, where everyone who fought against the anti-Hitler coalition is condemned and equivocated with nazi-sympathisers. This does include people who opportunistically fought againt the Red Army in the baltic states and Ukraine for national liberation from the USSR, but not necessarily on the german side.
Yes, some of those “national liberation fighters” were absolute shitbag nazi scum, but not all of them were and history is generally more complex than just good and bad.
There was a movement to restrict those two points to language that does not automatically include these anti-soviet forces among the ranks of the nazis, but the changes were not adopted.
Some politicians posit the hypothesis that the resolution was worded in such a way through russian string pulling, because they wanted to be able to paint every anti-russian fighter in the time of the second world war as pro-Hitler.
If you are fighting against the Allies alongside “shitbag Nazi scum,” you are a Nazi sympathizer.
The vast majority of the world sees this clearly.
Because it’s a Russian sponsored resolution.
Because they’re US puppets
Got a source for that?
Nope, but it’s pretty obvious if Ukraine was one of the only two countries to vote against.
And another guy, who’s actually read it, pointed out that it equates tearing down soviet monuments with Nazism.