Do all scientists get universal bribe income (UBI) to hush up? Do they get bonus bribes when it’s their turn to fabricate results? Holy shit, is this inadvertently the world’s biggest UBI experiment? Who is being bribed not to release that data?
How do these bribes work? Do they specifically bribe researchers and all members of their peer review committees? Do they bribe lab assistants to ignore reported findings incongruent with their observed lab results?
How do these pharmaceutical reps keep other scientists from alerting the public after analyzing this fraudulent data or replicating similarly fraudulent experiments?
There are over nine million full-time researchers employed in science R&D worldwide. Even with what must be at least a trillion dollars in annual bribes, someone’s bound to get a little drunk and say too much. Why don’t any of them or the tens of millions of support staff blow the whistle on the whole deal?
OK so let me get this straight: You believe that the overwhelming majority of scientists with intimate knowledge of mRNA vaccine technology are ALL part of a conspiracy that involves them all accepting bribes from big pharma in order to lie about its safety?
That’s really just not how any of it works.
Even if it did exist in any capacity, there’s no possible way that it would be able to be kept secret with so many people involved, not to mention the fact that there are still scientists with integrity (I would say most of them, in actuality) who would blow the whistle immediately.
I think you need to take a step back and try to take a critical look at the reasons why you would believe such a thing, and how you came to that conclusion. Because it has zero basis in reality, and the results of this kind of thinking literally leads to people (primarily children) dying or being otherwise impaired for life, for absolutely no reason.
They’re the most obvious implications for your bribery claims. If you had ever thought critically about what you believe, this would be immediately apparent.
Conservatives have done so much damage by somehow convincing (tens of?) millions of people that academia is like organized crime or some shit. Like they’re shaking down pharmaceutical companies, and lying about research for extra cash on the side. It’s so fucking stupid.
I think part of the problem is there are real fraud issues in academia and research, but your average American is woefully, what I’d call aggressively, science illiterate. Since they aren’t familiar with even the basics behind processes like funding and peer review, their personal narrative seems to substitute whatever kinds of fraud they’re already familiar with, generally theft or bribes, despite it making no goddamn sense.
Even worse, they’re conditioned to be actively hostile towards it. Despite taking advantage of the fruits of all that research on a daily basis without even thinking twice about it.
So many of them take it as a personal affront if anyone even suggests that they might know more than them about something.
Ex-wife was an OR nurse. The drug company reps would hang around the hospital and take everyone out to party after work. They’d sling free samples by day, $1,000 bar/restaurant tabs at night, all expensed. And they made bank.
You’re splitting hairs. When I go to the doc who says, “Look. I took money for a different drug from a different company, not for vaccines from this company,” I’m more than little disgusted. So I can give a little understanding to someone who doesn’t have the scientific background like I do when they dismiss the whole system as corrupt.
Those companies bribe doctors and scientists all the time.
Still not a good reason to be antivax, though.
What fucking bribes?
The ones pharmaceutical reps give.
I’ve got questions. So many questions.
Edit: unsurprisingly, they had no answers.
Do all scientists get universal bribe income (UBI) to hush up? Do they get bonus bribes when it’s their turn to fabricate results? Holy shit, is this inadvertently the world’s biggest UBI experiment? Who is being bribed not to release that data?
How do these bribes work? Do they specifically bribe researchers and all members of their peer review committees? Do they bribe lab assistants to ignore reported findings incongruent with their observed lab results?
How do these pharmaceutical reps keep other scientists from alerting the public after analyzing this fraudulent data or replicating similarly fraudulent experiments?
There are over nine million full-time researchers employed in science R&D worldwide. Even with what must be at least a trillion dollars in annual bribes, someone’s bound to get a little drunk and say too much. Why don’t any of them or the tens of millions of support staff blow the whistle on the whole deal?
Research scientists aren’t bribed by pharmaceutical companies. That’s not a thing.
I’m sorry, I didn’t realize you had access to the financials of every research scientist in the US.
OK so let me get this straight: You believe that the overwhelming majority of scientists with intimate knowledge of mRNA vaccine technology are ALL part of a conspiracy that involves them all accepting bribes from big pharma in order to lie about its safety?
That’s really just not how any of it works.
Even if it did exist in any capacity, there’s no possible way that it would be able to be kept secret with so many people involved, not to mention the fact that there are still scientists with integrity (I would say most of them, in actuality) who would blow the whistle immediately.
I think you need to take a step back and try to take a critical look at the reasons why you would believe such a thing, and how you came to that conclusion. Because it has zero basis in reality, and the results of this kind of thinking literally leads to people (primarily children) dying or being otherwise impaired for life, for absolutely no reason.
I never said any of that. You might want to work on your reading comprehension.
They’re the most obvious implications for your bribery claims. If you had ever thought critically about what you believe, this would be immediately apparent.
All I said was pharmaceutical companies bribe doctors and scientists. That’s it, besides saying it’s not a valid reason to distrust vaccines.
Anything else you gleaned from that comment is you making assumptions based on nothing.
As a scientist, my colleagues and I are still waiting for our bribes.
Conservatives have done so much damage by somehow convincing (tens of?) millions of people that academia is like organized crime or some shit. Like they’re shaking down pharmaceutical companies, and lying about research for extra cash on the side. It’s so fucking stupid.
I think part of the problem is there are real fraud issues in academia and research, but your average American is woefully, what I’d call aggressively, science illiterate. Since they aren’t familiar with even the basics behind processes like funding and peer review, their personal narrative seems to substitute whatever kinds of fraud they’re already familiar with, generally theft or bribes, despite it making no goddamn sense.
Even worse, they’re conditioned to be actively hostile towards it. Despite taking advantage of the fruits of all that research on a daily basis without even thinking twice about it.
So many of them take it as a personal affront if anyone even suggests that they might know more than them about something.
As a prof, can I have a bit on the side?
Absolutely, you can have half of whatever I get!
Ex-wife was an OR nurse. The drug company reps would hang around the hospital and take everyone out to party after work. They’d sling free samples by day, $1,000 bar/restaurant tabs at night, all expensed. And they made bank.
Yea… Those guys weren’t selling vaccines…
Yeah. … but they are the same companies selling them this is well documented
Moving goalposts? I was replying to:
And I gave an example of them bribing doctors.
No, pointing out that no one is pushing vaxx for money. Lol.
You’re splitting hairs. When I go to the doc who says, “Look. I took money for a different drug from a different company, not for vaccines from this company,” I’m more than little disgusted. So I can give a little understanding to someone who doesn’t have the scientific background like I do when they dismiss the whole system as corrupt.