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The article about the invasion on Poland wasn’t any better.
The NYT published the proclamation of Hitler verbatim without criticizing it, and reported the German lie that Poland attacked first as fact.
Berlin, Friday, Sept. 1–Charging that Germany had been attacked, Chancellor Hitler at 5:11 o’clock this morning issued a proclamation to the army declaring that from now on force will be met with force and calling on the armed forces “to fulfill their duty to the end.”
The text of the proclamation reads:
*"To the defense forces:
The Polish nation refused my efforts for a peaceful regulation of neighborly relations; instead it has appealed to weapons. Germans in Poland are persecuted with a bloody terror and are driven from their homes. The series of border violations, which are unbearable to a great power, prove that the Poles no longer are willing to respect the German frontier. In order to put an end to this frantic activity no other means is left to me now than to meet force with force. German defense forces will carry on the battle for the honor of the living rights of the re- awakened German people with firm determination. I expect every German soldier, in view of the great tradition of eternal German soldiery, to do his duty until the end. Remember always in all situations you are the representatives of National Socialist Greater Germany! Long live our people and our Reich!Berlin, Sept. 1, 1939. Adolf Hitler"*
The commander-in-chief of the air force issued a decree effective immediately prohibiting the passage of any airplanes over German territory excepting those of the Reich air force or the government. This morning the naval authorities ordered all German mercantile ships in the Baltic Sea not to run to Danzig or Polish ports. Anti-air raid defenses were mobilized throughout the country early this morning. A formal declaration of war against Poland had not yet been declared up to 8 o’clock [3 A.M. New York time] this morning and the question of whether the two countries are in a state of active belligerency is still open.
Reichstag Will Meet Today Foreign correspondents at an official conference at the Reich Press Ministry at 8:30 o’clock [3:30 A.M. New York time] were told that they would receive every opportunity to facilitate the transmission of dispatches. Wireless stations have been instructed to speed up communications and the Ministry is installing additional batteries of telephones. The Reichstag has been summoned to meet at 10 o’clock [5 A.M. New York time] to receive a more formal declaration from Herr Hitler. The Hitler army order is interpreted as providing, for the time being, armed defense of the German frontiers against aggression. The action is also suspected of forcing international diplomatic action. The Germans announced that foreigners remain in Polish territory at their own risk. Flying over Polish territory as well as the maritime areas is forbidden by the German authorities and any violators will be shot down. When Herr Hitler made his announcement Berlin’s streets were still deserted except for the conventional early traffic, and there were no outward signs that the nation was finding itself in the first stages of war. The government area was completely deserted, and the two guards doing sentry duty in front of the Chancellery remained their usual mute symbol of authority. It was only when official placards containing the orders to the populace began to appear on the billboards that early workers became aware of the situation.
Border Clashes Increase Berlin, Friday, Sept. 1–An increasing number of border incidents involving shooting and mutual Polish-German casualties are reported by the German press and radio. The most serious is reported from Gleiwitz, a German city on the line where the southwestern portion of Poland meets the Reich. At 8 P.M., according to the semi-official news agency, a group of Polish insurrectionists forced an entrance into the Gleiwitz radio station, overpowering the watchmen and beating and generally mishandling the attendants. The Gleiwitz station was relaying a Breslau station’s program, which was broken off by the Poles. They proceeded to broadcast a prepared proclamation, partly in Polish and partly in German, announcing themselves as “the Polish Volunteer Corps of Upper Silesia speaking from the Polish station in Gleiwitz.” The city, they alleged, was in Polish hands. Gleiwitz’s surprised radio listeners notified the police, who halted the broadcast and exchanged fire with the insurrectionists, killing one and capturing the rest. The police are said to have discovered that the attackers were assisted by regular Polish troops. The Gleiwitz incident is alleged here to have been the signal “for a general attack by Polish franctireurs on German territory.” Two other points–Pitsachen, near Kreuzburg, and Hochlinden, northeast of Ratibor, both in the same vicinity as Gleiwitz, were the scenes of violations of the German boundary, it is claimed, with fighting at both places still under way.
https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/big/0901.html
Germans in Poland are persecuted with a bloody terror and are driven from their homes. The series of border violations, which are unbearable to a great power, prove that the Poles no longer are willing to respect the German frontier.
It’s so crazy to see most of the israeli propaganda literally being straight out of the Nazi playbook.
And Russians about Ukraine… we live in interesting times indeed
Exactly my thoughts. You could copy that speech from the beginning, replace every instance of Germany/Germans with Russia/Russians, replace Poland with Ukraine, and you’ll have milions of people nodding as saying: “Yes, that makes sense, defend Russia!”
It’s propaganda because it works. Unfortunately. Because now these are just known manipulation tactics proven to work. And we still don’t really have a way to fight them—except that one old fashioned way and, hey, Nazis can get killed as far as I’m concerned.
This is because there is no fundamental difference between the two. Only the windows dressing is different.
Add the NKVD too.
So, you’re saying the NYT hasn’t changed much?
Liberal media aided fascists in the past and continue to aid fascists and authoritarian now.
I think peoples view that the increasingly partisan media has political aims is causing them to forget these are companies.
They are making money (or trying) and they will say or do whatever furthers that aim. They are not out for the public good, they can’t be.
If you want proof just look at CNN and their waffling in the last 10 years as they try to both sides shit so as to not lose increasingly shrinking cable news subscribers.
It’s fascinating that when I’ve called out NYT for promoting invasions for the US and Israel, and whitewashing racist actions by both, I’m called a Russian bot who hates facts and reality and need to go back to Russia or whatever the thought terminating cliche of the time was.
When I use the same NYT as proof for anything bad “The Good Guy In Office” does (Drone strikes, blocking labor, illegal occupations), they’re bought out soulless corporate media and we should never trust a single thing they have ever said.
The NYT published the proclamation of Hitler verbatim without criticizing it
Yes that is how journalism works. It is a report not the op-ed you seem to want it to be. If you want to be told how to feel, as opposed to reports, don’t look to journalism.
The main job of the news is to decide what to publish.
The NYT made the decision to simply re-publish what Hitler and the German press had to say about the attack, 6 years after Hitler had abolished democracy and any free press in Germany, and after Germany had illegally annexed the Sudetenland.
Don’t forget, Germany had the right to defend itself.
Iean ya failed history of you think these things are even remotely similar
Hezbollah has been launching rockets daily. Hardly the same as a false flag fire
Why is the first part of October missing data?
The strikes began on the 8th, but no casualties. That’s when the data for the chart begins
The next day, Hezbollah fired at Israel in response to Israel killing 3 Hezbollah members from bombardment of Southern Lebanon
The Lebanese armed group Hezbollah has fired a barrage of rockets into Israel after at least three of its members were killed during an Israeli bombardment of southern Lebanon amid soaring tensions on Israel’s northern border.
Previous strikes in October were in retaliation to assassination
Before the assassination,
Until recently, the border had been relatively quiet. Occasional rockets or drones crossed from Lebanon into Israel without leading to serious escalation, while Israel violated Lebanese airspace more than 22,000 times from 2007 to 2022.
Are you attempting to justify genocide?
hezbollah is related to palestine now? Or have they killed like 10000 Lebanese people already?
I see you’re not even trying to deny that Hezbollah has, indeed, been firing rockets indiscriminately into Israel nearly every day.
But you’re right, the situation IS exactly the same! You know, as long as you ignore those pesky things like facts.
Why in the fuck are you defending imperialism and genocide?
If the equivalent punishment for a pin-prick is a beheading, then maybe you have a case.
beheading? What the fuck happened in the twelve hours since this was first reported on. I’m so confused.
Oh, you have me all wrong, friend.
I don’t deny that Hezbollah has fired rockets indiscriminately into Israel every single day. If I had rockets and someone was genociding my people, I’d fire them.
I just don’t deny that Israel has been conducting a full genocide of the people of Gaza, using the war as an excuse.
Only, one is a little worse. Innit?
I see you’re not even trying to deny that Hezbollah has, indeed, been firing rockets indiscriminately into Israel nearly every day.
I mean Israel was doing exactly the same thing. Literally the same thing. Their “targeted” airstrikes aren’t any better than what Hezbollah does.
The modern shit show between the brothers, Isaac and Ishmael, started in 1882. It’s about time for the insane family blood feud to end.
Well, it is obviously a special military operation to denazify and demilitarise the terrorist militia of other country, because it threatens peace and security. /s
Seriously, isn’t this like called a war declaration or something? If you bomb another country and move in troops and kill civilians?
There wasn’t much declarations of war since ww2. Even the US was only technically at war when Panama declared war on them after the US invaded them. Ukraine isn’t technically at war with Russia, they actually do business together transferring gas to Europe. The world is strange.
The US formally declared war on Iraq and Afghanistan. That’s what an AUMF is.
Yeah well there’s no accounting for them being too dumb to remember they passed the War Powers Act specifically to prevent the President from conducting war without a declaration. And that they specifically voted for the AUMFs as designated by the War Powers Act.
It’s literally the vehicle by which they exercise that constitutional power. Of course they would then have to admit they declared official war on the concept of terrorism.
The first paragraph makes that pretty clear, but they added two more just to make it crystal clear.
It is the purpose of this chapter to fulfill the intent of the framers of the Constitution of the United States and insure that the collective judgment of both the Congress and the President will apply to the introduction of United States Armed Forces into hostilities, or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, and to the continued use of such forces in hostilities or in such situations.
Under article I, section 8, of the Constitution, it is specifically provided that the Congress shall have the power to make all laws necessary and proper for carrying into execution, not only its own powers but also all other powers vested by the Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.
The constitutional powers of the President as Commander-in-Chief to introduce United States Armed Forces into hostilities, or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, are exercised only pursuant to (1) a declaration of war, (2) specific statutory authorization, or (3) a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces.
Click here for the actual text of the law.
Edit - I just went ahead and added them. I am so tired of this purely semantic argument meant to make the US look worse than it is.
That’s kinda the point. There are no “Afghanistan” or “Iraq” in AUMF and it was used to wage wars unrelated to 9/11.
So AQ didn’t fly the planes?
I don’t get what this question is about.
Ah youre talking about what hamas and hezbola have been doing.
Yep, actually I am as well. War crimes can be committed by both sides.
Let’s take a complex situation, make it worse, set it on fire, then spray the fire with gasoline from a fire hose. What’s the worst that could happen?
American media being more pro-Israel than mainstream Israeli media is continuously baffling
“Erm akshurally, the correct term for sending troops into another country without concent is invasion. However, when its one of the Good Guy Countries™ its called self-defense and promoting international law. If you disagree then you clearly hate freedom and democracy, you’re also a Russian bot” -☝️🤓
I can’t believe they would allow blatant antisemitism on this website, how could you
Ikr, clearly I need to be locked away for thought crimes. How else are we supposed to protect freedom?
God damn that is like word for word how every time I have lightly called out an invasion from the US/Israel. I’m some people see this shit besides me.
The West controls this narrative theough media, propaganda and social media. The constant fucking Isreal dick sucking is finally being noticed by a few.
Can israel just chill for once and can we stop giving them any help
That’s anti semitism /s
Unfortunately there are too many fascists and too many Christian fanatics who believe that Israel and the wars it is doing are necessary for the rapture to happen.
Yet another reason religion is a scourge.
Funny they believe they can make their God come back to destroy the little project He/She/They/It created so the most sniveling, back stabbing, and sanctimonious 1% can go a special place of wonder, happiness, and peace in the universe.
And then those 1% would destroy that place as well.
That’s the best fucking response I heard to that in a long time. I wish I could upvote more than once.
Rapture but I guess it’s a rupture potentially as well.
With the upcoming US election, Bibi knows no one will take action, least it upsets the AIPAC.
So he is using this period as a window of opportunity to do this shit.
Zionists have written that none of their surrounding countries are ‘nations’ in a legal sense and thus their land is free for the taking… by them exclusively. No fucking joke. I want to post my source later.
These people are worse than the Nazis.
Please post the source when you can. I’d love to share it with my holdout relatives who still think Isreal can’t be “that bad”.
It’s just the “empty land” myth that all genocidal colonizers have used as a pretext updated for modern times.
I have no idea how any of them can call it an empty land when there have been people continuously living there since the goddamn stone age! I mean Lebanon has had extensive trade with Greece and Egypt even during the Bronze age. What the FUCK are these people even talking about? Even Palestine is much older than that.
There was a site called Masada 2000 that had some of the most brazen bullshit hasbara you’ve ever heard to the extent that they claimed that there was no such thing as a Palestinian before 1967 (as bullshitted by Golda Meir, the bitch) or that the word Palestine did not exist until 1917. They cite no sources because it is such a brazen lie.
It’s this meme all over again but this time it’s Israel vs. Russia.
would’ve been a different story is Ukrainians were sufficiently brown
Quickly, turn on propaganda, turn on Soloviev!
And we expect the biggest wepon exporter to stop it! The world is probably doomed.
“Annexes”?
Sorry this is totally OT, but is that place called Cafe Yourself?
It looks like it says Cafe youssef. Youssef is a fairly common last name.
And first name
Like Yusef Lateef, the jazz musician!
im sorry, war is mutually consensual in all cases?
I know a lot of war is generally formalized, but that’s mostly due to legislation and governmental reasons, not international relations. Or at least that’s my understanding of it.
Can you clarify your question? The point here is that this is clearly an invasion by any definition.
yeah, invasions are normal under war. That’s how they work.
I guess i’m mostly just confused why we care about the clarification here, 90% of war is getting a one up on your enemy, either via readiness, attrition, or technological advantage.
The point here is that Israel is invading, but the Times was too compromised to call it an invasion. Usually when someone says “sends troops” to another country it’s to help after an earthquake or flood or fire or something. When someone invades with troops it’s called an invasion. The Times has a long history of unreasonably downplaying the violent actions of the Israeli government specifically, while using plain straightforward language in other conflicts, which demonstrates bias.
invasion colloquially would be considered a more official declaration of war, idk if israel has acknowledged this, and if lebanon hasn’t acknowledged this at all themselves, than i feel like calling it a literal invasion is probably a little bit presumptuous here.
Is the headline factually wrong?
Usually when someone says “sends troops” to another country it’s to help after an earthquake or flood or fire or something.
idk about this one chief, isn’t it usually “sends aid” or “send aid” do you have any examples of this?
like to be clear here, you’re claiming that the NYT title is biased, but then proposing an equally biased term to replace it. I would rather the title just be neutral. The headlines are useless anyway.
edit: removed a weird bit.
Lebanon is urging the international community to recognize it as an invasion: https://www.npr.org/2024/10/01/nx-s1-5134606/lebanon-israel-invasion-hezbollah-international-support
“Lebanese politicians urgently called on the international community to pressure Israel to stop its advance into Lebanese territory on Tuesday, as Israeli troops crossed into southern Lebanon in an operation targeting Hezbollah outposts.”
“This is not an incursion, this is an invasion,” Najat Aoun Saliba, a Lebanese member of parliament, told NPR. “We’ve been invaded by another country and we have to call on the international community to call it as such.”
“Saliba urged world leaders to call on Israel to put an immediate end to its military offensive in Lebanon.”
ok cool so this is basically the equivalent of MTG claiming that there are jewish space lasers.
Is it? Could you please enlighten me? I admit, I’m a bit ignorant of the politics over there.
To me, it seems like it’s a clear violation of a nation’s sovereignty. As a US citizen, I can’t imagine Mexico bombing us for private actors for distributing guns to the cartels, for example. Even if the government itself was responsible for distrubuting arms to the cartels (which actually may very well be the case), I still don’t see the justification for bombing US apartment complexes.
About as consensual as defending yourself from someone punching you in the face.
Sure, you could let them keep punching you in the face…or you could try and stop them.
I’m really sick of hearing Americans of all people, and Westerners in general trying to moralize about invasions and war.
Oh yeah you’re right my bad, millions should suffer to fulfil this one guy’s ego for sure
Tu quoque fallacy
Like that Westerner who set himself on fire over Gaza, talk about virtue signaling! /s
wait until you hear about how the middle east handles war
LOL. where was the hezbolla of poland? fuck any iranian proxy.
Oh, look. The hasbara has shown up.
Let’s tell him to eat shit.
But Israel bad!! Stop ruining my fragile world view!!
/s
I find it intriguing, your name, but then you are here defending the invasion of a sovereign nation.
That’s because i don’t see it as “unprovoked invasion”. It is an invasion for sure, but Hezbollah been begging for it
