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Never thought I live to see someone fuck up worse than Bush Jr.
He just got the US into a war where there’s nothing to gain, zero upsides other than bending the k we to Israel.
We are only 6 months in…… fuck us
fuck up worse than Bush Jr
Trump is an enemy to the US. He isn’t fucking up, we’re letting him succeed.
Musta missed 2019 when the US was caught with their pants down during a global pandemic, despite having a pandemic plan in place just a few years prior. Ultimately ended up killing over a million Americans… And the guy got re-elected.
two things can be shite at once buddy.
No one said otherwise.
The original commenter said they hadn’t seen anyone fuck up this bad since Bush. The responder is simply implying that they think the covid response was an equally bad fuck up.
that’s not the math I took from it. but, fair point, I reckon.
The US empire is a cancer on humanity
Almost every American just wants to stay home and play video games, we didn’t want any of this. We wanted healthcare.
They should vote that way then, being dumbasses serves no-one good
I fully agree: Americans need to liberate themselves from the chains of their government. Join a local socialist organization, mutual aid, or union
Hey dude, we didn’t all vote for him
I said empire, not president. Dems aren’t opposing the war.
Trump didn’t seek congressional approval before the strike.
And how have democrat politicians responded?
He doesn’t have to, if it’s an “emergency”.
Half of you did. What a dumb nation
You’re right, and what you need to understand is that the reason half of our idiots voted for an idiot is because we allowed corporations to atomize society so people didn’t mix anymore, we don’t have shared perspectives of the world anymore, everyone gets their information about literally everything algorithmically. This atomization of society is what took down the USA and it’s coming for you next if it’s not already happening wherever you are.
Not even close half, us democracy is a joke that loser can win and not everyone gets to vote. 22,5% of US population voted for trump. That is still way too much, but it is still minority.
These young kids are a waste of life…
The other half voted for Biden (yes, I know, different election, but they did, minus rounding errors). 17.8 billion in military aid to Israel under his leadership, in addition to the 3.8 billion a year for an entire decade that Obama set up. It is not the president, it’s not the GOP, it’s the country. When Harris bragged at the DNC that she would make the US military the most lethal fighting force on the planet, do you feel like she was implying that she would have them sit on their hands?
What’s next? Launching a war against the Ukraine to please Putin?
You dumb fucking orange man.
…do you think Putin wants Iran to be bombed?
Strangely yes. This jacks up the price of oil in a way that doesn’t dirty Putin’s hands. It’s a bit of a weird play but makes some sense.
Iran is a major trade partner and an important partner in the Ukraine War and they were both important allies of Assad and worked closely together in Syria. They have deep ties. There’s no way the price of oil is worth losing one of their key allies in the region.
Why not? They have strategic value sure but Russia is nearly bankrupt, Iran for an extra year or two of solvency makes sense to me. Further weakens the US too.
It told you why not! Because Iran is an important regional ally and business partner and military asset.
Russia sacrificing an ally like this for something as paltry as “gas prices” would be short-sighted in the extreme.
Although since you seem to think Russia is “nearly bankrupt” and that this only buys them “an extra year or two” that explains why you don’t think this matters.
Yeah the condescending really explained your point. Import export numbers, critical resources only Iran provides Russia, strategic geographic and political value. You really covered it all in those… 3 sentences formatted as paragraphs. Worthless. Down vote me if you failed econ 1.
Jesus do you want me to write you an essay?
I will say they just entered a new 20-year bilateral trade and military cooperation treaty on Jan 17th of this year, which is hardly something Russia would do if they were willing to just destroy Iran in a few months. They did this because trade between the countries has risen sharply due to the sanctions against Russia, and that’s not going away any time soon so it would be foolish to sacrifice them at this stage. Then there’s the suspected missiles and drones that Iran has been (possibly) supplying Russia for its war with Ukraine, and blowing them up would disrupt that supply line.
But if you’re determined to believe Russia wants Iran to be bombed, I won’t be able to stop you.
If Iran gets their own nukes, then Russia loses a big bargaining chip.
Honestly, that’s probably the only reason why nukes weren’t used.
If Iran gets their own nukes, one of Russia’s most important allies in the region is safe from attack. That seems a lot more useful than a “bargaining chip”. Now, Russia risks losing an important ally and whatever bargaining chip they may have had.
You’re reading the play like Russia wants an ally.
What they want is a dependent.
Iran supplies an absolute shit ton of military supplies to Russia.
Only empires can have dependency, Russia isn’t nearly that strong. Russia needs allies or it will be overwhelmed.
Russia is a real country run by actual human beings. They’re not Mordor with a dark lord commanding an army of orcs. And Russia wants allies. They’re up against a vast global US-lead alliance system. Of course they want allies.
This is some of the most geopolitically misinformed shit I’ve read in a while, congratulations.
Great rebuttle. Really drove home your point with facts and evidence. Oh no sorry, didn’t get bogged down with those… Or post any, or even a differing opinion. Just the snide of… Did you by chance drop out of school?
Plus the whole world destabilization thing
Do you think Trump didn’t ask permission to his master before bombing Iran?
Netanyahu?
Although it’s not like Trump is some puppet on a string. The whole US government wants war with Iran and it has for my entire life. There doesn’t need to be some secret master behind this (Israel, Russia, whatever)
Lol Netanyahu is not Trump’s master, he’s his business buddy.
The guy thinks like an 80s caricature of a business man. He wants to build resorts in Gaza so he cozies up with Israel. Plus there’s oil and natural gas in Iran. Iran is a friend of China which Trump desperately wants to look strong against.
He doesn’t care about Israel or Palestinians (or anyone for that matter) he couldn’t give two shits. If the roles were reversed, he would cozy up to the power in charge.
I’m not saying he’s a great strategist, I think he goes with the opportunities and jumps on them when he can and he takes a lot of miscalculated risks, exactly like he run his other businesses.
But one thing for sure, he asked Putin before he did launched his pew pews on Iran.
Do you think Biden wouldn’t have done the exact same thing to “defend” Israel?
This is clearly about Israel and the long-time desire for war with Iran in the US government. Blaming Russia is, frankly, absurd.
Trump certainly would like to have Putin as a business buddy, he’s an 80’s deals guy after all, but there’s no business here that benefits Russia so that’s also absurd. Russia does not benefit from Iran’s collapse. This is very bad for Russia.
Biden wouldn’t have voided and left the Iran nuclear agreement (that he himself helped to negotiate and put in place) though, which was the stone that got all of this rolling in the first place.
I’m not blaming Russia, I’m not saying Dems were not gonna side with Israel. You asked if Putin wanted the strikes on Iran. I’m saying there’s no way he wasn’t on board.
Does he like it? I don’t know but one thing for sure is he knew about the strikes and agreed to them. With all that Trump did to benefit Putin up till then, no way in hell he didn’t ask permission to do that move…
And I’m saying there’s no way Putin wants Iran to be bombed, and so therefore this was done without his permission or knowledge.
Anybody else remember Cheyney singing “bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran?”
Yup. When have established powers ever liked a revolutionary government? We don’t have to like the type of revolution Iran underwent to acknowledge that it was a radical revolutionary government in the literal sense of the term. No country on Earth has a form of government like Iran’s. It’s pretty unique. Any time a decent sized country tries is taken over by revolutionaries who attempt a radically new form of government, they receive immense opposition from the old powers. All of Europe declared war on France for chopping the head off their king. Every western government embargoed the people Haiti for daring to violently overthrow their slavers. An expeditionary army of numerous capitalist powers invaded the nascent Soviet Union to try and shut it down. And Iran has been under massive sanctions since they dared to throw their western-backed dictator out by force.
Established powers always try to clamp down on any kind of revolutionary government. It’s not that they fear the government itself; they fear the ideas that government represents. Iran needed to be punished. It needed to be embargoed into poverty. They couldn’t just let Iran try out its new form of government and let them sort themselves out. Because if Iran can overthrow a western-backed puppet and seize control over their own natural resources? Well that’s an idea that could spread far and wide.
Who would stop him?
I was kinda hoping the US would collapse into civil war before they helped start WW3.
Bugger.
We can do both.
The drives too long for your average US Citizen. at least that was the common excuse on the other site. “Drive is too long to DC” or “I have a job that’s tied to my medical insurance” Best they could do was ONE day of protest. On a Saturday.
So usa dropping another 1 trillion and 20 years for nothing?
What do you mean nothing, think of all the billionaires adding more billions to their bank accounts, isn’t that what this country is all about
The American war machine was getting light pocketbooks. Gotta start another conflict.
Yea, the American MIC stocks are getting outpaced by European ones, we gotta start a new war to make the stocks up!
We spent way more than one Trillion…
Im sure it will trickle back anyday now…any… day…
It’s called efficiency, look it up.
What do you mean for nothing? That’s $1Tril going to Trump’s buddies! /s
Defense contractors after hearing the bombings:
When it comes to democracy in foreign countries usa always go all in war, bombing civilians… but when it comes to their own democracy they are to scared they will do/say something that will get them cancelled
Democracy was not even mentioned by any one in the orange mans administration. The us is well past such excuses.
Yankee go home. And stay there.
When the corporations start dividing your population and guaranteeing their own interests over democracy, look at what happened to us and learn from it. It doesn’t stop here.
We need to remove this cyst of an administration before they start WW3
Ugh. This kind of hits hard.
I know people who are active in the military (yes they are stupid and yes it doesn’t take much analysis to figure out they’re probably magats). In particular I know several who have been to Kuwait and seem to regularly get stationed there.
I’ve known several people who died by suicide from PTSD from Kuwait, or Iraq.
There’s a girl, she’s a sergeant. She’s in until 2028, been to Kuwait already. I don’t know if she’s even 23. She certainly doesn’t come off as a magat. But it doesn’t really matter. 23 is an adult yes. But to me? I’m 34? She’s just starting life out. To get killed in this kind of war is gross.
There’s fucking nothing traumatic happening in Kuwait right now. Or in that last 20 years for that matter. Get your head out of your ass. What is this bullshit pulling on your heartstrings fearmongering nonsense comment. “She’s been to Kuwait already” dumbass I’ve been to all the bases in Kuwait multiple times it’s chill. They train and they have a taco bell. It’s admin HQ for operations nearby
The PTSD folk? They were in the expelling force in '91. The others were in Iraq (mainly after 2003), and came through Kuwait.
Kuwait was chill after the Iraq regime fell.
Kuwait is right over the Persian Gulf by Iran. It won’t be chill for very long.
Of course the PTSD folks went through it. Though I am arguing with you I want to make it clear I meant zero disrespect or antagonization for anyone who lived through that as part of the expelling force. I was there as a citizen. My point was that your comment made it seem as if Kuwait has been a hot zone in between those times and I got upset and perhaps reacted poorly.
Oh, no, not at all. It’s purely about its location and importance than worry me.
Hello world war 3.
It’s being nice knowing you, humans
Doesn’t a world war require someone backing Iran? Or do you mean “the whole world vs Iran”?
Russia is busy, Hamas is not available, Hisbollah is not available, Syria is not interested anymore, Huthis will send a few rockets again…
This could very easily spiral into a full-on WW3 scenario. Note, WW3 may not look like what you expect it to look like. We’ve been culturally conditioned to think WW3 will look like thousands of mushroom clouds over major cities, but that need not be the case. WW3 could be a large conventional war just like the previous world wars.
Russia is already bogged down in Ukraine, and the US and NATO are supplying them. Israel is at war with a half a dozen countries, and the US is supporting them, including directly entering the war on Iran. The danger of WW3 lies is revealed when you ask, why did Israel choose this time to attack Iran? They chose to because now was simply the perfect opportunity. With Iran’s proxy fighters around Israel devastated, with the Gaza a smoking ruin, Iranian power is lower than it has been in years. That’s why they decided to do this now - kick them while they’re down.
Us getting bogged down in Iran, however, presents other countries with their own windows of opportunity. And the biggest one is China invading Taiwan. China has been saber-rattling and openly planning an invasion of Taiwan, to be done at some point in the next few years. What better time to launch it than when the US has already been depleting their limited weapon stocks in Ukraine, and just got bogged down in Iran?
China is already involved in the Ukraine conflict; they’re one of Russia’s biggest suppliers. Iran also is a Russian ally, providing them thousands of drones. The alliance system of a potential world war is already laid out. It would be Russia/Iran/China vs the US, NATO, and assorted allies.
This would be unlikely to end up in a full nuclear exchange. Direct invasion of the homelands of Russia, China, or the US are not going to happen. But we could see multiple large conventional armed conflicts breaking out in multiple theaters, a conflict between two vast alliance systems that between them encompass most of the world’s population.
If that isn’t a world war, I don’t know what is. Nukes don’t need to fly to have a conflict that leaves millions dead.
Us getting bogged down in Iran, however, presents other countries with their own windows of opportunity. And the biggest one is China invading Taiwan. China has been saber-rattling and openly planning an invasion of Taiwan, to be done at some point in the next few years. What better time to launch it than when the US has already been depleting their limited weapon stocks in Ukraine, and just got bogged down in Iran?
IMO, there is a lot of conjuntive in it.
For now, there were only bombs on nuclear facilities from the US side… No foot troops getting bogged down. Nothing getting bogged down for now…
You can always imagine how something could link to a word war. That would have already worked for Ukraine. That would have worked with Afghanistan as well.
The question is how realistic it is. I’m not a fan of painting the devil on the wall by declaring WW3 myself on Lemmy and saying goodbye to others…
US weapons stockpiles aren’t depleted in the slightest. You guys sent your old stuff to Ukraine and not much more, and you haven’t sent anything substantial in over a year.
Iran will, most likely, not involve more than an air campaign and the US can do that with a bomber wing and a carrier strike group. I can’t imagine a case where this evolves into a full invasion (but of course with trump you can never be sure).
If anything, seeing Iran getting dominated by Israel and the US would probably give China some doubts about a possible operation against Taiwan.
It would be Russia/Iran/China vs the US, NATO, and assorted allies.
I honestly don’t think the US has its traditional allies any more. Why should Canada get involved in defense of a bully who is threatening to invade it?
Israel is the third variable in the equation since everyone is subservient to it, so who knows what will happen there
Why should Canada get involved in defense of a bully who is threatening to invade it?
Precisely so it doesn’t end up on the wrong side and end up getting invaded.
The US is going to war with Iran on behalf of Israel. Russia is at war with Ukraine. Russia is Iran’s ally. The US thinks it’s Russia’s ally. The EU is supposed to be helping Ukraine. Israel is on a conquest mission, backed by the US, to colonize the Middle East. India and Pakistan have their thing going on. The US is threatening to invade Mexico, Canada, and Greenland. And that’s just a small slice of the world.
Do you not see how this can easily spiral into an absolute clusterfuck?
Well. China will invade Taiwan, pearl harbouring us bases in Japan before hand.
Bada Bing. Bada boom. Shooting war starts
How is Iran even a factor in that case then?
How was tiny little Serbia a factor triggering WW1?
Little things spiral into bigger things, which then spiral into yet bigger things.
When China invades Taiwan, that itself has a lot of potential for escalation. Bada Bing. Bada boom. Iran might be completely irrelevant in such a war.
Pakistan could back Iran while India backs Israel. It has the potential to escalate.
There is never 0 potential for escalation in a world political context. The question is how realistic it is…
And Pakistan and Iran are not really best buddies. There is also the potential of them attacking each other. https://edition.cnn.com/2024/01/18/world/iran-pakistan-attacks-tensions-explainer-intl-hnk/index.html
Furthermore: From a few weeks ago, we already know that it doesn’t need Iran for India and Pakistan to attack each other… Last time, it did not end in a world war.
Happy 3rd war in the Middle East everyone!
Some of them have.
Anyone who still thinks Trump is to blame just isn’t paying attention.
These strikes would’ve happened no matter who the president was it’s a geopolitical inevitability.
And yes, it’s becoming increasingly clear that Ukraine is in serious trouble now.
Taiwan and South Korea probably shittting their pants right about now as well. Daddy’s about to be too busy to help out when their possed off neightcome knocking
They’ll be next — just not immediately. Over the next couple of years, Ukraine will likely be partitioned, and as the war with Iran de-escalates, a new conflict will be needed to fill the vacuum. That’s how the cycle tends to work.
I’m waiting to see if Trump/pentagon escalates or does their strike package and goes home.
I doubt this is going to lead to some sort of ground invasion. Biden would have done the exact same although maybe more clandestine.
Iran and its allies and proxies have to retaliate against US positions in the region. If Iran doesnt respond, they will be considered fair game for bombing whenever the US and Israel are bored. Both US and Israel just proved that diplomacy is off the table with them. Neither country speaks any language but violence.
I don’t know if they can, honestly. Iran has lost air superiority in their own skies as well as, reportedly, a majority of their long range missile launch sites. US bases in the near gulf states might be in range of Irans short range arsenal, but do they really want a strike into their neighbors territory? We’ll see.
What ground invasion lol, americans have zero chance invading Iran.
yes!
Can’t wait for all the Americans who haven’t done a thing to stop him or to fight his voter base to show up and loudly proclaim that they don’t support this.
Will also get a nice shitty side of “well what do you EXPECT me to DO?”
Congratulations on having the stupidest comment so far. You should be proud.
It was the only comment, so unfortunately also the most ingenious.
Come on, at least call me a keyboard warrior. You guys are going off-script.
It IS probably their script! You can tell reddit is going down when their toxicity makes it’s way over here.
it’s means “it is”. You wanted “its”. Must be the lead.
Your right! They’re must be alot’ve brain in my lead. Thank’s for helping! 👍
you couldn’t of said it better
The only reason you people care so strongly is because of the “51st state” crap. You’re the same small, scared little people that every American is, that any person is, really.
If you think upending your life to start an insurgency on behalf of other people, people on the other side of the planet even, should be expected behavior, why don’t you slide on down here and show us how it’s done? Let’s see your face and a body count on CNN.
Excuses, excuses, excuses
Imagine having the gall to not only say you won’t fix your problems, but then call on others to go and fix it as well.
Americans really are the laziest people.
Give them a break, a new season of oligarchs housewives just started and it’s not like they can just not go to work. They’ll be out next month on Saturday.
If the weather is nice, and, you know, if they can get all the proper permits for their parade.
Bret McGurk was literally just on CNN… BIDEN’S GUY!.. and basically endorsed the strikes. NOTHING WOULD HAVE CHANGED IF WE VOTED FOR HARRIS. WHEN WILL YOU GET THIS THROUGH YOUR THICK FUCKING SKULL?!?
Cool, guess you’ve done all you can. Great work. Sit back, have a coke, watch tv. Be very proud of all you’ve accomplished.
Okay mods I’ll be civil this time. Since voting does nothing positive and only serves as a cudgel for politicians to claim that they legitimately represent their subjects, then if you only voted, it is slightly more useless than doing literally nothing.
You keep telling yourself that
Okay mods I’ll be civil. I basically said “I saw it (what this person is responding to) with my own eyes.”
