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bubblybubbles@lemmy.ml to Memes@lemmy.ml · 3 days ago

Average convo with liberals when Ukraine comes up

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Average convo with liberals when Ukraine comes up

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bubblybubbles@lemmy.ml to Memes@lemmy.ml · 3 days ago
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  • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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    They are taking historically Russian areas like Donetsk and Luhansk. The west is doing what it wants because it’s using Ukraine as a proxy war to damage Russia, and is carving Ukraine out for resources. Yanukovych escaping the far-right Banderites that the west supported doesn’t mean he was a puppet either. You’re deeply confused here.

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      24 hours ago

      Imagine being so communist and/or anti-American that you can’t criticize a fascist capitalist state over a liberal capitalist state.

      You’re too smart to make the argument that Russia’s actions are restricted to the areas they allege are majority Russian.

      • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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        Kiev is run by far-right neo-Nazis that uphold Stepan Bandera. The Russian Federation isn’t socialist by any means, but it isn’t run by literal neo-Nazis and it isn’t ethnically cleansing anyone.

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          This is just Russian propaganda.

          Here in reality, no, Ukraine isn’t run by neo Nazis. Are some people in the army Nazis? Yes, of course…people who like to kill other people are generally terrible people.

          It’s amazing that, for whatever reason, people give such a pass to Russia. Russia is a fascist dictatorship that absolutely ethnically cleanses groups all over the country and it’s satellites.

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            This post is three days old, this thread is buried deep, and the only people still here are ones who you’re not going to convince because they know you don’t know what you’re talking about. It is you who are repeating propaganda, as if we haven’t heard it all a thousand times before.

            We know all the same things you know and a whole lot of things you don’t, because we’ve actually investigated. If you have a commitment to the truth and the luxury of time, you can, too. Previously.

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            No, it’s reality that you’re denying. Ukraine is run by neo-Nazis, as was reported by the west, which you still disagree with as “Russian propaganda.” From @davel@lemmy.ml

            • BBC, 2014: Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict
            • Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
            • The Hill, 2017: The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda
            • The Guardian, 2017: ‘I want to bring up a warrior’: Ukraine’s far-right children’s camp – video
            • WaPo, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
            • Reuters, 2018: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem
            • The Nation, 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine
            • openDemocracy, 2019: Why Ukraine’s new language law will have long-term consequences
            • Jacobin, 2022: A US-Backed, Far Right–Led Revolution in Ukraine Helped Bring Us to the Brink of War
            • Consortium News, 2022: Evidence of US-Backed Coup in Kiev
            • Al Jazeera, 2022: Why did Ukraine suspend 11 ‘pro-Russia’ parties?
            • History of Fascism in Ukraine: Part I, Part II, Part III, Part IV

            Russia isn’t ethnically cleansing people, Kiev is.

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        23 hours ago

        Imagine being so communist and/or anti-American that you can’t criticize a fascist capitalist state over a liberal capitalist state.

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