“Well, it doesn’t matter, but there was a major explosion in the dock area where they load the boats up with drugs,” Trump responded. “They load the boats up with drugs. So we hit all the boats and now we hit the area. It’s the implementation area. That’s where they implement. And that is no longer around.”

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    This is setting a precedent of “we can bomb anywhere whenever we want if we say its for drugs.” The UN is absolutely fucking useless.

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          Guardian correspondent Patrick Wintour elaborated that the plant “provided 50 per cent of Sudan’s medicines, and its destruction has left the country with no supplies of chloroquine, the standard treatment for malaria”. He also noted that the British government (who publicly supported the U.S. decision to bomb the factory) refused requests “to resupply chloroquine in emergency relief until such time as the Sudanese can rebuild their pharmaceutical production”.[20] The factory was a principal source of Sudan’s anti-malaria and veterinary drugs according to the CBW (Chemical & Biological Weapons) Conventions Bulletin.[21]

          demons are real and they are neoliberals

          they were never able to rebuild their chloroquine production, but another drug eventually was produced partially with Chinese support

          https://english.news.cn/20220426/23bf960450b24de5b696d7993a2df80b/c.html

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              it’s wild how if they wanted to just have like, even the optics of not being evil, they could have at least rebuilt it (even if it’s under western ownership and therefore rent seeking imperialist bullshit) but no I think they just bombed it and were like “welp I guess people are just going to die now”

              and blueMAGA still likes the clintons!

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                Why put the effort in when they don’t have to? Like you said, democrat voters still like the Clintons. At least enough that they just got away with it.

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        Just structurally, it’s pretty much enshrined in international law that the security council members can do whatever they want without any mechanism for the others to stop them.

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      The UN is not “above” the US, it has no power besides what its member states give it, which has always been not much. But thats the only way states would particpate at all

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        The fact that the CIA considers the UN to be a tool for US imperialism is all you need to know about the UN. But it still frustrates me that they can’t or wont do ANYTHING EVER.

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      un was always useless against usa, but now europe is even more complicit than usual (their media doesn’t even try to feign outrage over usa behavior, which they did during iraq)

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    If I may take a step back and just be clinical for a second:

    It’s extremely interesting to me that the USA is inviting an asymmetrical warfare response from a neighboring country with a lot of potential agents blended into the USA population. In the case of Iran, there was an argument that geographic and cultural distance would insulate the USA from any immediate blowback. But Venezuela is physically close the USA, is connected by a land corridor, and has ~1 million Venezuelan citizens actually already in-country. It seems obvious that there will at minimum be some violent blowback, or actual cells ramping up for organized attacks and sabotage within the USA.

    Part of me thinks that’s part of the plan, and will be harnessed by the Trump admin to expand and consolidate power. But… part of me wonders if they actually just think they’re fucking invincible, and that there will be no repercussions. And… maybe they kind of are?

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      It’s extremely interesting to me that the USA is inviting an asymmetrical warfare response from a neighboring country with a lot of potential agents blended into the USA population.

      Nothing will happen. Nothing. The people who come here from Venezuela are not die-hard nationalists or communists. They’re apolitical or liberal or reactionary and none of them are going to arm up and inflict pain on the USA.

      And if they did it would be according to plan, script, and desires of the Trump admin. They would LOVE an actual, factual terrorist attack or extremist group composed of brown foreigners in the US to be able to expand the brutality and scale of ICE deportations under anti-terrorism auspices and reasons. To fearmonger on the news about the dangerous browns who hold “duel loyalties” or no loyalties to the US.

      Plain and simple a country that shrugs off mass shootings weekly would not be shocked or moved to action by a shooting spree by a pissed off Venezuelan who is quickly gunned down. The whole thing would be massaged and spun by the media through a racialized lens to the advantage of the US security state and Trump admin policies. They’d cast the shooter as typical of “their type”, call them a drug dealer, terrorist, etc.

      There is no long history of religious radicalization and the promise of heaven and paradise for blowing yourself up like there is with Muslims, particularly Arabs thanks to groundwork a century ago by Britain and help from local Wahhabi stooges like Saudi Arabia. For all the conspiracy talk of Cuban hit squads for example in the 60s/70s US there’s little actual there there and that was another era with actual radicalized, militant leftist groups and people everywhere. The environment today could not be more different. The very existence of such radicals and blow-back is purely because it suits US interests, they use them as tools for regional destabilization, they use them to divide unity, stir up sectarian tensions, strife, genocide, etc to keep an important part of the earth divided, in chaos and easily controlled or at least prevented from utility to geopolitical adversaries. There has been no Afghanistan (80s one) war to create these groups, no deliberate efforts by the US, no regional partner creating the ideological foundations, supplying arms, propaganda books for children, intelligence networks, etc, etc.

      So sorry but I just don’t see this happening short of the US deploying to Mexico and starting to openly and sadistically mass murder grandmas and newborns and upload the videos of it to the internet in incredible numbers. And even then, we’ve seen the level of response to the genocide in Gaza, I don’t expect the US to explode or be torn apart at the seams by doing that though it might have a moderate insurgency problem.

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          That’s in response to the concern about US-domestic terrorists of Venezuelan origin. It’s very different from the Russian invasion of Ukraine. I think darkcalling explained well why those kinds of terrorist attacks won’t happen: immigrants from Venezuela aren’t ideologically aligned with Venezuela.

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      The ~1 million Venezuelans already in the US are the reason that it is attempting to deport and terrorize as many as possible. Ethnic cleansing is actually part of the neo-Monroe doctrine, they need to get the immigrants from the neocolonies out of the imperial core to recreate that geographic and cultural distance. These feed into each other too, because a war would also be used as justification for deportations and internement camps - and resistance to deportations and internement camps would be used as justification for war.

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      I assume that the US thinks it’s invincible. It probably is right now. And what’s the worst that could happen, in the government’s eyes? Another 9/11? That was the biggest gift to US imperialism since WW2. They would absolutely love another 9/11. It would remove any possible public barrier to all of the violent imperialism the US is trying to do carefully. It would turn all of the public dissatisfaction with the economy and military spending on its head.

      I think the blowback is the point, honestly

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      We live in a new age of both very sophisticated and very vulnerable economies. A single saboteur can do more today than at any point in history with enough funding and knowledge.

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      It seems obvious that there will at minimum be some violent blowback, or actual cells ramping up for organized attacks and sabotage within the USA.

      what? unlikely unless it’s a false flag by the US or Israel

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      Most of that million people is okay with regime change, but surely not ok with USA’s favorite passtime of bombing hospitals. So it all depends on how much restraint these nazis manage to have.

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      It seems like they are trying to create more violent pushback domestically and nearby so they can ramp things up, I do think the warhawks in the US are detached from material reality and believe they are invincible, and the people investing and set to make money from the conflict don’t care how many people die on either side, the capitalists think they will profit anyway even if the US loses militarily. From my view it seems discontent is so high and material conditions worsening such that the US would have an insurgency if we went into open war, maybe that is just my optimism though.

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    Donald Trump has said the US carried out an attack on a “dock area” in Venezuela, confirming that Washington had struck inside the country.

    “There was a major explosion in the dock area where they load the boats up with drugs,” the president said in response to questions about the strike on Monday, ahead of a meeting with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

    “We hit all the boats and now we hit . . . the implementation area. That is where they implement, and that is no longer around,” Trump added.

    The president did not say whether the US military or the CIA had carried out the strike, and would not confirm whether others had been conducted.

    Trump told a radio interviewer last Friday that the US had earlier that week destroyed “a big [drug] facility . . . where the ships come from” as part of its campaign against Venezuelan drug traffickers. He said the public had probably “read” about it, but did not say where the strike took place.

    It was unclear whether the “big explosion” on the dock was the same as a blast that occurred at a coastal chemical plant in San Francisco, Venezuela on Christmas Eve.

    The chemical company Primazol on Monday “categorically rejected” the notion that the US was behind the explosion at its plant.

    “We responsibly clarify that these statements have no relation whatsoever to the incident that occurred and do not correspond to official or verified information,” the company said in a statement. Primazol has declined to say what caused the explosion.

    The Venezuelan government did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

    https://www.ft.com/content/c68fe25d-2462-4ed9-8159-1f3bbdc07a54