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    4 days ago

    Tankie here. Marxists-Leninist don’t condone stochastic violent acts during capitalism against Capitalists, the word we use to refer to such tactics is “adventurism”, and it’s criticized heavily.

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      3 days ago

      He’s telling the truth for once. MLs don’t believe that workers should have agency over their lives or the revolution. They only condone violence against capitalists if leadership ordered them to. They’re very much a top down belief system hence the “Tankie” part: ie enforcing political orthodoxy with the threat of violence against the workers.

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        They only condone violence against capitalists if leadership ordered them to

        No. We just believe that adventurism isn’t a good tactic in bourgeois dictatorship, and we distinguish it from repression of capitalists by the dictatorship of the proletariat, i.e. by the state democratically representing the workers in power.

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      4 days ago

      Then you don’t support Russia, China, or North Korea and you’re not a tankie, or you do support those entities and you’re lying about their activities, in either scenario that’s bullshit.

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        3 days ago

        You’re not wrong that they support those countries but you haven’t explained how that’s pertinent to the topic at hand.

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          Because China, Russia, and North Korea run psyops that either directly or indirectly harm western nations, such as by endorsing, and in some cases funding and arming, people who oppose or disadvantage the governments and peoples in those nations in any way and by doing anything in their power to decrease credibility and trust of those nation’s governments.

          Examples: China used its TikTok military op not only to collect and categorize americans (and other nations) but to directly endorse Donald Trump for president, followed by the largest shift rightward in young voters ever recorded. China wants Anarchy in the west, China wants an opportunity to grow their own borders unchecked and become the dominant global superpower.

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                2 days ago

                Unless China is pushing for community gardens, and mutual aid drives in the West, lets try a different word.

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                  They pushed for Donald Fucking Trump, mate. You should try some different words.

                  China wants the USA to have a revolution, and the bloodier the better, and in the end they want a loyalist installed as the new leader(s).

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          3 days ago

          If you’re a Tankie

          You support Russia, China, and The Dictatorship of North Korea.

          That’s like the definition of the word.

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            3 days ago

            That’s your definition. To me, it means essentially “Marxist-Leninist who supports actually existing socialist projects”. I still fail to see what my views on some countries have to do with adventurism.