I know this won’t affect the stock price (which will keep pumping anyway), but who’s going to buy the robots? There’ll be some enthusiasts sure, but most people actually need cars and will take out a loan to get these. The people that actually need these robots (assuming they even worked in the first place) would be people that need help around the house, and realistically most of them can’t afford this thing. So do we see a repeat of the parking lots filled with cyber trucks, but with robots instead? Or do they just give them out to influencers and con enough rich assholes into buying them to make it work (probably not gonna happen lol).
There’s no way Tesla robots will ever be good enough to do anything useful like house chores or whatever. MAYBE if he sells them with a subscription and it’s actually just some dude in East Asia controlling the robot. But then most people wouldn’t want them because now you’re paying random servants from around the world to hop into your house to serve you.
Actually as I was typing this I realized that is exactly the kind of disgusting bullshit that Tesla owners would love. “Oh yes see it’s not slavery because these people get to stay in their country and their homes and make a wage to be my servant! That means I’m fueling underserved economies! I’m saving the world with my Tesla Servant! Global economics! Together Musk is lifting people out of poverty!”
Fuck these are going to be wildly successful for all the wrong reasons aren’t they.
Oh yeah to be clear I don’t think they’ll work autonomously either. But you’re 100% right that all the wrong people are going to be able to pay Elon a monthly fee to have a servant from another country around the house.
Spending $100k to buy a surveillance robot servant remotely piloted by a child in Bangladesh is simply the price one must pay to not allow a poor into one’s house. If you saw the documentary Parasite, you’d know why we must take these security measures
Black Mirror episode where “Pesla” announces a sexbot but it can’t nail the AI so they have to hire out of work software engineers to operate the bots with VR rigs.
Yet another subject where I have zero faith in Musk’s knowledge or experience
If we all gave ourselves the Men-In-Black mind eraser flash he’d be the first to use science and logic to re-invent guys who think the female orgasm is a myth, starting with himself.
If Musk does do sex bots, I predict the “pussy” is gonna be wrong but he will never correct it because admitting he was wrong about what a vagina looks like would be too embarrassing for his fragile ego.
Huge lots full of inert robots is pretty peak cyberpunk. I doubt these things could hold a gun, so I expect there’ll just be a high density explosive module (with recurring subscription) and they’ll use them as shock troops for riot dispersal.
Rich people import foreign workers to be their hyper-exploited social reproduction labourers. If all the foreign workers that do their social reproduction for them are being deported by ICE, they will need robots. (This assumes the robots will ever function, which they won’t, or that they are intended to function someday, which they aren’t)
I was gonna say something like “I’m assuming the idea is to make them do factory work in an attempt to compete with China’s robots”, but that would be the smart thing to do with them, and Musk isn’t one to do smart things. Indeed, reading the article it seems he just intend some pipe-dream about every one having robot butlers or whatever.
In China, humanoid robots are doing factory work. Not will do factory work, are doing it, right now. They are put to useful work.
In the US, humanoid robots are only used to increase stock value of corporations with promises that never end up materializing.
In China, self driving cars are used for public transport, they are made into very affordable taxis and even buses I believe. And other similar AIs are driving driver-less metros and trains.
In the US, self driving cars are just an excuse to sell cars for a higher price, just like when Apple adds features no one asked for to their Iphones to justify a markup.
I found that a lot of peoples here, when they see capitalists use a technology or an idea to do this kind of grift, instead of blaming the capitalist for using a potentially useful technology or interesting idea to make a self serving short sighted grift out of it, they reject the very technology or idea itself as something “beneath us” not worth talking or thinking about at all. I’ve seen comrades adopt that attitude multiple times and I don’t think it’s a good way to see things nor something we should do as Marxists and dialectical materialists.
I appreciate your insight and critique. I didn’t know China already had these things working in factories. Definitely makes more sense than a robot butler. Out of curiosity, do you have a source? Not trying to call bullshit, just would like to read more on it. And using an English search engine on anything China usually doesn’t turn up anything useful lol.
That’s what I mean by ideological blindspot. The only thing any of these articles say about the use of humanoid robots is
Robots like the H1 that performed at the gala have moved into Chinese EV factories thanks to partnerships between Unitree and EV makers like BYD and XPeng.
Which isn’t much, nothing concrete.
And the videos are straight up slop.
If this was about hyping up Musk, you’d get absolutely dunked on if you presented that as evidence of humanoid robots getting used in factories.
That’s what I mean by ideological blindspot. The only thing any of these articles say about the use of humanoid robots is
Robots like the H1 that performed at the gala have moved into Chinese EV factories thanks to partnerships between Unitree and EV makers like BYD and XPeng.
Which isn’t much, nothing concrete.
This is already much more than Musk or any other American or European humanoid robot constructor can say about their robots. So no, I agree that it’s not much, but it is very much concrete. And remember this is a very recent development, a few years old at most, it’s a bit early to make definitive conclusions about how well or poorly it’s going.
Incidentally, the appeal of humanoid robots isn’t just automating production (because if it was just that specialized robots would be far better than any generalist humanoid), instead I think the appeal of humanoid robots is as a tool to manage the balance between employment and production output. As a socialist society you want to become able to guarantee jobs and access to the products of labor to your citizens. Which means you have to balance level of automation with necessary output: too many robots and there’s not enough work for everyone, too few and there might be shortages of certain things due to underproduction. This means that ideally you want to be able to retire a few machines when there are peoples in need of a job and bring more machines in when workers retire or stop working for whatever other reasons. But you can’t make the switch quickly enough with specialized robots because these require conditions so vastly different from human workers that you need to refit the entire factory floor or at least part of it both to bring robots in or to get them out, which can take months to years. With humanoid robots though, they can work with the exact same factory floors the human workers use, meaning switching between robots and humans is as easy as ordering the robots to walk in or out of the factory. That’s the best argument for humanoid robots in my opinion, and because of that I think it makes a lot of sense for a socialist country to develop the technology.
And the videos are straight up slop.
Well these are youtube videos. I don’t see what the quality of the video has to do with whether or not the robots do work in factories though.
If this was about hyping up Musk, you’d get absolutely dunked on if you presented that as evidence of humanoid robots getting used in factories.
I’d get dunked on for presenting images of robots getting used in factories as evidence of robots getting used in factories? I don’t get your point here. Is it the fact that it’s only a handful of factories?
I know this won’t affect the stock price (which will keep pumping anyway), but who’s going to buy the robots? There’ll be some enthusiasts sure, but most people actually need cars and will take out a loan to get these. The people that actually need these robots (assuming they even worked in the first place) would be people that need help around the house, and realistically most of them can’t afford this thing. So do we see a repeat of the parking lots filled with cyber trucks, but with robots instead? Or do they just give them out to influencers and con enough rich assholes into buying them to make it work (probably not gonna happen lol).
There’s no way Tesla robots will ever be good enough to do anything useful like house chores or whatever. MAYBE if he sells them with a subscription and it’s actually just some dude in East Asia controlling the robot. But then most people wouldn’t want them because now you’re paying random servants from around the world to hop into your house to serve you.
Actually as I was typing this I realized that is exactly the kind of disgusting bullshit that Tesla owners would love. “Oh yes see it’s not slavery because these people get to stay in their country and their homes and make a wage to be my servant! That means I’m fueling underserved economies! I’m saving the world with my Tesla Servant! Global economics! Together Musk is lifting people out of poverty!”
Fuck these are going to be wildly successful for all the wrong reasons aren’t they.
Oh yeah to be clear I don’t think they’ll work autonomously either. But you’re 100% right that all the wrong people are going to be able to pay Elon a monthly fee to have a servant from another country around the house.
Spending $100k to buy a surveillance robot servant remotely piloted by a child in Bangladesh is simply the price one must pay to not allow a poor into one’s house. If you saw the documentary Parasite, you’d know why we must take these security measures
Why don’t they put the children inside the robot and just have it shock them if they disobey?
Plausible deniability
Humanoid robots are a scam to inflate stock prices.
for more info I’ll refer to
this: A skeptic’s guide to humanoid-robot videos | MIT Technology Review
and this: The Automation Trap: What Robots Are Really Selling
just like all the other scams to inflate stock prices
if only people would remember valuation ≠ value more often 😮💨
The robots will be used for military purposes since the $1 trillion budget has to go somewhere.
idk, The Market is not looking pleased at the moment, at least in the short term.
The market will come around once Tesla announces that the robots will have a pussy.
Black Mirror episode where “Pesla” announces a sexbot but it can’t nail the AI so they have to hire out of work software engineers to operate the bots with VR rigs.
The robot you’ve bought is actually just a guy in a costume.
That’s probably something that could get some VC funding with a hip name and an app.
Is that gay?
depends on what the costume is
That says so much about society.
The Dawn of the Furries is at hand!
Yet another subject where I have zero faith in Musk’s knowledge or experience
If we all gave ourselves the Men-In-Black mind eraser flash he’d be the first to use science and logic to re-invent guys who think the female orgasm is a myth, starting with himself.
If Musk does do sex bots, I predict the “pussy” is gonna be wrong but he will never correct it because admitting he was wrong about what a vagina looks like would be too embarrassing for his fragile ego.
He could double down on being wrong about them like our friend Ben
Probably
ben shapiro making a tech support call “my sexbot is leaking”
“robussy” most likely
Huge lots full of inert robots is pretty peak cyberpunk. I doubt these things could hold a gun, so I expect there’ll just be a high density explosive module (with recurring subscription) and they’ll use them as shock troops for riot dispersal.
Rich people import foreign workers to be their hyper-exploited social reproduction labourers. If all the foreign workers that do their social reproduction for them are being deported by ICE, they will need robots. (This assumes the robots will ever function, which they won’t, or that they are intended to function someday, which they aren’t)
the deported people can control the “robots” from CECOT
I was gonna say something like “I’m assuming the idea is to make them do factory work in an attempt to compete with China’s robots”, but that would be the smart thing to do with them, and Musk isn’t one to do smart things. Indeed, reading the article it seems he just intend some
pipe-dream about every one having robot butlers or whatever.
It does sort of weird me out how often we celebrate China for the same stuff we boo Musk for. That does seem like a bit of a ideological blindspot.
The Chinese self-driving cars don’t work that much better.
The difference is in what it’s used for.
In China, humanoid robots are doing factory work. Not will do factory work, are doing it, right now. They are put to useful work.
In the US, humanoid robots are only used to increase stock value of corporations with promises that never end up materializing.
In China, self driving cars are used for public transport, they are made into very affordable taxis and even buses I believe. And other similar AIs are driving driver-less metros and trains.
In the US, self driving cars are just an excuse to sell cars for a higher price, just like when Apple adds features no one asked for to their Iphones to justify a markup.
I found that a lot of peoples here, when they see capitalists use a technology or an idea to do this kind of grift, instead of blaming the capitalist for using a potentially useful technology or interesting idea to make a self serving short sighted grift out of it, they reject the very technology or idea itself as something “beneath us” not worth talking or thinking about at all. I’ve seen comrades adopt that attitude multiple times and I don’t think it’s a good way to see things nor something we should do as Marxists and dialectical materialists.
I appreciate your insight and critique. I didn’t know China already had these things working in factories. Definitely makes more sense than a robot butler. Out of curiosity, do you have a source? Not trying to call bullshit, just would like to read more on it. And using an English search engine on anything China usually doesn’t turn up anything useful lol.
From the list of sources I keep I have these articles that mention the humanoid robots doing factory work specifically:
Your First Humanoid Robot Coworker Will Probably Be Chinese (this one tries to put a ‘china bad’ slant, but still a worthwhile read)
China’s EV giants are betting big on humanoid robots
AI powering China’s industrial evolution
And videos:
This is Why “Made in America” Will Fail
CHINA’S ROBOT REVOLUTION! 🤖 YIZHUANG CONFERENCE SHOCKS THE WORLD from 7:47
And that’s just what I’ve read and watched.
That’s what I mean by ideological blindspot. The only thing any of these articles say about the use of humanoid robots is
Which isn’t much, nothing concrete.
And the videos are straight up slop.
If this was about hyping up Musk, you’d get absolutely dunked on if you presented that as evidence of humanoid robots getting used in factories.
This is already much more than Musk or any other American or European humanoid robot constructor can say about their robots. So no, I agree that it’s not much, but it is very much concrete. And remember this is a very recent development, a few years old at most, it’s a bit early to make definitive conclusions about how well or poorly it’s going.
Incidentally, the appeal of humanoid robots isn’t just automating production (because if it was just that specialized robots would be far better than any generalist humanoid), instead I think the appeal of humanoid robots is as a tool to manage the balance between employment and production output. As a socialist society you want to become able to guarantee jobs and access to the products of labor to your citizens. Which means you have to balance level of automation with necessary output: too many robots and there’s not enough work for everyone, too few and there might be shortages of certain things due to underproduction. This means that ideally you want to be able to retire a few machines when there are peoples in need of a job and bring more machines in when workers retire or stop working for whatever other reasons. But you can’t make the switch quickly enough with specialized robots because these require conditions so vastly different from human workers that you need to refit the entire factory floor or at least part of it both to bring robots in or to get them out, which can take months to years. With humanoid robots though, they can work with the exact same factory floors the human workers use, meaning switching between robots and humans is as easy as ordering the robots to walk in or out of the factory. That’s the best argument for humanoid robots in my opinion, and because of that I think it makes a lot of sense for a socialist country to develop the technology.
Well these are youtube videos. I don’t see what the quality of the video has to do with whether or not the robots do work in factories though.
I’d get dunked on for presenting images of robots getting used in factories as evidence of robots getting used in factories? I don’t get your point here. Is it the fact that it’s only a handful of factories?
From what I’ve seen, the cars with the huawei tech work pretty well
Eh, they’re a spectacle. Like last year’s Chun Wan, you got some robots dancing
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
Wonder if we’ll see similar boycotting like we did with his swastikars