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I hate those “pervert glasses” so much. You don’t need to have a camera in your glasses. Just wear normal glasses.
imagine being someone who just escaped a very violent situation and they need to stay safe and off the internet
then this shit happens
The real issue in my mind is privacy and autonomy. I want to be able to walk around without the expectation that I’m recorded. I’m male and don’t have the same the impact from the creep-factor, and absolutely get it, but the implications are larger than dudes looking at women.
Big difference from a “I am in public and can be recorded” to a “I am in public and I should expect to be recorded”. Another big step to "that recording is on a mega-corp server and can be viewed, reviewed, used as training data, cross-referenced, and otherwise processed without my consent because the person recording me consented; I really think this is the the crux, as I can have a tacit approval to be recorded by walking to a store, but I haven’t given any approval for my likeness, my position, my emotions, etc to be recorded by walking down a street. A TV show using unsuspecting public will get people to sign waivers granting limited rights to their footage afterwards, or blur faces – or did – before retaining and publishing.
I walk into a grocery store and I can expect that they have a CCTV (note the CLOSED CIRCUIT part) system to be able to review what happened in the case of a robbery or whatever. The tech of my childhood meant that the store had a stack of VHS tapes, or maybe DVD/HD/SSD that rotated and could hold (lets way exaggerate) a decade of footage. A decade after I left the store, there was no record I was there – maybe a receipt if I used a card, but I don’t actually know the PCI retention requirements. With cheap storage and 3rd-party cloud-hosted camera systems, the business no longer owns the records of my presence, and has only a data retention ‘agreement’ with the provider. I didn’t agree to my footage being used for any purpose other than the one implicit for safety/loss-prevention by visiting the store. Any use beyond that should be unreasonable search and seizure, but it’s not being done by the government, so isn’t illegal or something I could sue over.
Very similar situation to Flock/generic-ALPR-esq cameras. The trend used to be that unless you were somehow a person-of-note that you had effective anonymity in public: It took resources to monitor an individual’s movements, facial expressions, actions, etc. It no longer does, and so all this is effectively captured and stored in perpetuity. The real problem is that it’s everywhere. Good luck finding a grocery store that doesn’t have some cloud-provider surveillance. Good luck finding a gas station that doesn’t. Good luck even driving to a specific store that isn’t recording you constantly because you pass several cameras on the way and some are specifically designed to track your movements.
Bringing it home to the current topic of ‘smart’ glasses. I haven’t consented to being recorded by random person walking down the street with Meta’s camera on their face. Meta has no ethical rights to my “content”, regardless of whether the owner of the glasses has agreed to give Meta a license to their video as part of setting up the glasses. Ethical vs Legal, but we can keep pushing back.
I know I’m preaching to the choir here, but this shit is pervasive and won’t stop until we force it.
It’s not just that people are “perverts”, it’s that they’re wearing a camera on their face constantly filming people who have a reasonable expectation to privacy. Even in public most countries would protect that expectation in a lot of cases.
So unless somebody wants to be violently assaulted and their glasses ripped and smashed off their face, then it might be best to not buy them at all, or only wear them in private.
Reminds me of Google glass or whatever it was called. It’s not that people aren’t ready, it’s just a bad idea
“Glassholes”
I remember.
I used to run a comedy show during this era.
We straight up kicked those fucks out
I used to support the Glass team at Google. I felt so bad watching them destroy the team after Sergey influence plummeted after he was caught cheating. They just slowly moved everyone to different projects. They had super stars on that team.
I love that big tech was so arrogant they just plum forgot or choose to ignore why those died then.
And then above it they still chose the one thing everyone was mad about, a camera. All they had to do was not put a camera in there but they couldn’t resist.
I think the product that speaks the most about the camera was the Snapchat Spectacles. Snapchat did everything they could to position it strictly as a fun, party-oriented camera that didn’t try to hide what it was but leaned into the fun ways to use it.
And they still died out after the initial hype. Which I think is most telling because, like, here’s this product with the most positive take you could possibly have on “glasses with cameras” and people still didn’t want it. So wth makes Google think the creepy no-fun version will catch on?
This is meta not google, but same difference
Not everything.
They should have gone full OG instagram and make the glasses look like a pair of old school Polaroid cameras that even spit out the picture.
Eh, even the guy in the video mentions the distribution being a factor in the hype dying down. I think with a bigger distribution they could’ve worked better, the main issue with the Meta ones is that they’re basically made to record stuff inconspicuously and that’s freaking creepy.
90% of the point of these things is having AI analyze what you are looking at (and also monetize it with ads etc).
creeps are the #1 target demo for these devices
I honestly don’t think so. I think they’re up there, but tech “enthusiasts” (read, tech bros and people who think random gadgets are cool) probably are. They’re happy to waste their money and give money to meta. Creeps are definitely number 2 or 3 though.
Yeah, I’d consider myself a bit of a tech enthusiast but I’d never buy a closed source product like smart glasses. I have looked a little into Mentra glasses as it’s open source and it looks like you might be able to stand up your own backend.
It would in no way be an everyday wear for me though. I’d probably only ever wear it for outdoor activities. But honestly a GoPro or equivalent with a harness would probably be a better option for that.
creeps, and creep supporters, ok. anyone giving meta money is at least creep adjacent if not a creep themselves.
They used to say that porn was the real driver of technology for home video.
The porn industry makes like three times as much money as Hollywood. They were right.
it was one of the things that decided vhs vs betamax.
betamax (sony) wanted licensing fees from everyone and VHS (everyone else) wanted to win.
Needed the data, if you’re phone is always in your pocket then it’s really hard to get a live video. Better to model their AI to simulate human interactions
these are the same people who would unironically make the torment nexus, firmly believing that they will do it right and it will be good this time
Not for the first time. Metaverse failed for all the same reasons that Second Life did: it’s a solution to a problem that most people don’t have. Except Second Life - which still exists and supposedly is far more active than during its heyday - only cost the merest fraction compared to the Metaverse.
As for the Spybans, there were a couple of short films released around 2010 that predicted the privacy issues linking AR with realtime social networking would bring. So it’s not a new idea. Unfortunately, both films were taken down soon after because they were deemed too disturbing.
And yet, here we are.
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…fair
The trouble is, half the cool shit that AR can do requires some sort of optical sensor to pull off. If you want it to be anything more than just a smaller cell phone closer to your eye.
And if course they were compelled to hook it up to their mass surveillance network…
It wasn’t dumb and they didn’t forget. The frog has simply been sufficiently boiled. Meta sold millions of these. The people complaining are a very small minority.
It’s annoying how tech bros phrase products and services so that you don’t get to say no, it’s something like not right now or people aren’t ready. Lots of stuff from pop ups for OneDrive in windows to press releases about Google glass. It’s fascist.
No your product or service is unwanted and no means no.
They are not that keen on obtaining consent. In every regard.
They spike terms of service with no ethical opt out and call it a day.
A) Buy now
B) Maybe later🙄
This is so infuriating.
True AR? Absolutely not a bad idea, are you kidding me?
Take out the ability to record stealthily and they’re a great idea. Overlay art on walls, place monitors in your real space, do work on a laptop with the screen off, put directions in the actual world so you’re not looking at a screen, and that just what I can think of off the top of my head.
Don’t let the tech conglomerates ruin an amazing tech concept.
These do exist and they are pretty amazing apparently.
Their form factor still isn’t great from what I understand. The tech isn’t properly caught up to the idea. But once it has, it’s going to be a paradigm shift in the way we interact with the digital world similar to the smart phone.
Vision Pro is as close as we have come, and it is still overpriced, ugly, uncomfortable, and incapable of most basic AR tasks. It can’t identify and track objects in real time, which is the lowest bar for functional AR.
For consumers yes, but an AR glasses for technical workers that (for example with an electrician), you could mark and highlight cables in AR that you are working on/ignoring or being able to auto search and send IC identifications on reverse engineering a PCB would be genuinely useful.
Someone shouted “GLASSHOLES!” and died.
lol and that was 5mp, genuinely low res compared to the pervert specs
Bad enough that Tesla’s are mobile surveillance nodes. Definitely don’t need cameras going indoors everywhere too.
By “not ready,” they mean, “not complacent enough.” Fuck the tech bros.
The problem with Google Glass is that had a form factor which limited what could be done. On top of that it was a beta product and you technically needed to be a developer with I think C language knowledge to be allowed to purchase one. Even if you could buy it the device was like $1,000+ because it wasn’t a consumer ready model.
Yeah the idea was so bad Apple stopped developing future Apple Vision products and pivoted to release an affordable alternative.
This thread seems to have a whole lot of hopefulness and not much actual data they are going off. If Apple actually launches a good usable pair for a decent price, it will all become “I wish manufacturers never made these” and people yelling pervert at someone on the street will result in them getting sued/arrested/baker acted.
It’s been 12 years since glass went public, I have to imagine someone figured out decent ways to work the upgrades in hardware since into them.
2013 version: 45nm Chip made by Texas instruments.
Any chip from 2026/7 will run laps around it
apples approach seems to be wait and see.
that make sense, why i only saw one person in public once using, so they had to be a tech dev. in any cause it was still considered as a perv glass too, because you could somehow watch porn on it.
Remember that documentary about them? https://youtu.be/6PY8C1KmNwM
i remember that, the first news of it was it was being used to WATCH PORN. and then i saw a person in a subway once with it, it looks silly and kinda perverty.
Good
Being accidentally recorded in the background of someone’s photo or video is one thing, and it happens all the time, that is fine
But we all know it doesn’t end there.
These glasses allow secret recording
Of your children at the playground
Of your wife and children at the beach
Of your wife and you at a nude beach
Then all the videos will be picked up by Facebook and fed into their AI. your kids, your family, you, will forcibly be used for AI proposes, you will also be identified, your locations will be stored with it and sold to the highest bidder. Your facial expressions will be determined, what you all were wearing, what you were doing. All of it will be not used but abused to hell and back
If I see such glasses making a recording of me and or my family that will be the end of those glasses
This is the glasshole stigma all over again
Good. Good. Let your hate become your strength
“There are a lot of times where it’s not appropriate to wear cameras on your face”. When is it ever appropriate? Try walking around pointing your cellphone at people’s faces all the time and see what happens.
Cities should be just as afraid of deploying Flock cameras.
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On YouTube?
The cameras have copper in them too. Probably.
Attaching to this to remind everyone that these cameras have sensors to scrape rfid, nfc, tpms, Bluetooth, and wifi ssids as well. They’re not ‘license plate readers’. They’re full suite surveillance systems that’ll capture every ID passing by. Your list of remembered wifi connections in your phone is a trackable fingerprint, and unless you take steps, it’s being broadcast every time you turn on wifi.
Your phone is not broadcasting a list of WiFi networks it wants to connect to. That’s not how it works at all.
It is periodically (couple of times a second probably) checking the available SSIDs to see if there is one that matches a remembered network on it’s list.
It would be horribly insecure to have a device broadcasting the name of a network that it would actively try to connect to.
Thats what i keep hearing. I bet they have cameras and maybe sim cards too. Along with a spiffy solar panel.
sim cards
This gave me a good laugh, imagine putting the SIM card into a mobile router or something. Just use it like a data plan, no big deal.
I think someone did it but with a device thought for blocking your car
Sure, but this is an international thing, Flock is US only. And it’s completely expected to see comments about something US specific written like it’s a global thing (or that nothing outside the US exists) because that’s fucking always the case.
The 'Murica brain, like yours, just can’t comprehend that the vast majority of the world isn’t the US.The 'Murica brain, like yours, just can’t comprehend that the vast majority of the world isn’t the US.
Your comment says way more about you than you comprehend and your assumptions about all Americans are laughable. Having a bad day, are we? Maybe you should call your mum.
You should fly yourself and your asshole attitude back to Reddit, find the rest of your miserable flock and claim victory, that is if they don’t ignore your sorry ass there too.
Unfortunately, this has a habit of becoming a self-reinforcing need for authoritarian policing.
“Flock camera destruction” becomes the rationale for more cameras and more cops and more draconian punishments. And this cycle continues so long as the public continues to send up corporate shills and industry hacks to fill the municipal offices.
Oh good to know. I guess we’ll just have to stick with the alternative. Do nothing and watch it happen anyway.
Or you could try to make ACTUAL change, instead of throwing temper tantrums like a child and encouraging others to get themselves in legal trouble that would affect the rest of their lives.
How many have you destroyed? Let me guess. Zero. Another internet tough guy who others to take the hit.
No, you have to go after the local politicians who keep approving these systems. Electorally of course, you psychos. Your local city council rep is going to feel much more pressure from an angry letter from a voter than your senator would.
Follow them around with cameras. They need to feel the dystopian pressure themselves
They will sue you for harassment. Keep in mind that when it’s done to them, it’s “different”.
I heard they’re chock full of copper
Elected officials are loaded with copper.
Electorally of course, you psychos.
Or not, if push really comes to shove.
But you do have to recognize that you can’t just break the fascade of the machine to get it to stop working.
Vote harder, libs!
Yes? The reason shit you don’t like happens is because you refuse to a participate, you fucking dunce.
This is probably one of the few issues you could really get grass roots bipartisan support on these days. It would have to be marketed right though. Maybe something like “DEI cameras”, or “6G posts”.
Ignore the vote! If we don’t vote, it delegitimizes the election and then the local government will be forced to ignore everyone that stayed home and still do the awful thing anyway because the winner is an open fascist.
Much better alternative!
Look, I actually want smart glasses, but there is absolutely no reason for there to be cameras in them.
Just give me a HUD so I can follow transit directions or something. I’m not trying to take creepshots.
What really frustrates me is that governments and big business have normalized surveillance everywhere, and now big business is basically selling wearable spyware, and this is all quite egregious.
But, one of the biggest ways to combat this is with “sousveillance”, or the surveillance of oneself. This has proven to be quite effective for motorists who own dashcams, and could be useful other places as well. But AI-peddling billionaires have ruined the reputation of that kind of thing entirely to the point where even open source variants of this tech will be rejected by the public.
So businesses, the government, and the police have the right, and in many cases the obligation to record your every move in public, but you aren’t allowed to record your own surroundings in return.
Shame is a greatly underrated emotion.
Others have said it better than I ever could, but in my own words, even IF every person who bought these was the epitome of the highest moral and ethical standards, I would still be uncomfortable due to the way-too-high possibility of them being ‘hacked’ remotely which would still have the potential to destroy lives
“I saw all these comments about if you wear those glasses you’re basically a predator or a creep, and I was like, ‘Oh, maybe it’s not a good idea to have those,’” said Kujawa. "I didn’t really think that through all the way… there are a lot of times where it’s not appropriate to wear cameras on your face."
Words to live by.
CEO Mark Zuckerberg remains convinced that smart glasses will eventually replace the smartphone.
Sure, Jan.
CEO Mark Zuckerberg remains convinced that smart glasses will eventually replace the smartphone.
Just a regular reminder that facebook has a massive child sex material trade problem, that they’ve actively done nothing to prevent, but they have called police on reporters reporting on it.
So Zuckerberg wanting his creepnology on every face, in every bathroom, hospital, etc, while he gets a copy of every video, is very much in character
I mean dude was meeting with Epstein so…
he wants to learn what make humans tic so he can mimic and control them.
Yeah having to let the battery die on a patient’s prescription glasses that they needed to like. Not fall down while walking. Was not a fun couple of shifts.
Well, yeah. It starts with people sharing “just family photos,” and the monsters make it a cesspool.
So…
I inherited my grandmother’s house. I’m a heterosexual bachelor, I don’t give a shit about decoration, so the automotive tools and 3D printing detritus, house cat, and electronics shit from about waist down are mine, the artwork and curtains and shit at chest level and above are still my grandmother’s.
Included in this is one of those “one large frame full of a bunch of individual family photos” things that ceased to be manufactured during Dubya’s first term. In it is a picture of a bunch of relatives of mine hanging out in a back yard, the last of whom died last month, a black and white photo of my father when he was 7, a dageurrotype of my great grandfather’s first wedding…
And a polaroid of me, age 2, scrote ass naked, riding Bradley. Who the fuck is Bradley. So, while I was a fetus, my family went to a state fair. My father decided to stop at the carnie section to play ring toss. My hilariously pregnant 5 foot tall mother wanted to play too. So Dad gave her a fistful of rings. And she got one. As my dad tells it, the second my mama cheered, that carnie took the rest of those rings from my father, chucked them in a different, empty basket presumably to inspect them to make sure they are in fact smaller than the neck of the bottles, and begrudgingly told her to pick out one of the hilariously huge stuffed animals on display, and she picked a life-size tiger. On the way back out of the fair, my family walked past a National guard exhibit, including several tanks and armored vehicles. My grandmother, the idiot that decided to carpet my bathroom, noticed the sign next to a particularly large tank-like machine said “Bradley Fighting Vehicle” and she said “Oh how cute, they named it.” And lo the 6 foot long polyester tiger was named Bradley.
Three years later, I got out of a bath tub, and before some toddler sized tighty-whiteys happened I mounted that very tiger like a horse, which amused my father enough to go get the family Instamatic. My grandmother ended up owning the resulting photograph, time makes corpses of us all, I inherited my grandmother’s estate to include a 37 year old picture of my own dick.
So when I build my drinks cabinet intended to go on that wall, and pull down that photo collage and give it to my parents, one of whom was the photographer of several of those family photos, am I going to be arrested for trafficking child porn?
Probably, in Trump’s America.
You write well. Also, is it illegal to possess a naked picture of oneself as a child?
I guess it’s about the risk of someone viewing it sexually.
No, naked photographs of children are not illegal in that context
Heard of a guy with pictures of his kid in the bath. Police investigated and once they realised it was his own kid, no further action.
Might vary based on where you live of course.
The key to a good stand-up routine? Imagery. And crowd-work.
Correct me if I’m wrong but the key to any good long text/speech is having as many interesting visual descriptions as possible. Emphasis on interesting.
I’ll admit at first I thought Bradley was gonna be the carnie. Relieved.
CEO Mark Zuckerberg remains convinced that smart glasses will eventually replace the smartphone.
If they didn’t have a camera, I think they’d stand a better chance. I think they should just be a screen that links to your phone and peripherals. Honestly the little wrist typing input seem pretty cool to me. If I could type with them onto like a low-res glass ink display it’d be fine. I’m not gonna wear a camera on my face nor am I going to wear some bulky nonsense, just no chance. If they could look like slim glasses and take wireless power from something on my neck or headphones, I think they’d be a viable peripheral input product.
Zuckerberg wants wants to put the compute on your face, for some reason. Even turning the phone into a brick you interact with through the peripherals seems unrealistic since the glasses would need to have multicolor display without being bulky. Dude needs some people with basic sense to tell him no and guide him to something more realistic.
If they didn’t have a camera they’d be pointless, there’s really no reason to have a screen on your face if it wasn’t to help AR the world.
Which is why it’s going to need an extremely valid reason to use them aside from being a creeper.
I’d use them to subtitle everything because i’m deaf
Yeah I’ve long said these could be a useful accessibility tool for those of us who can’t hear
Not true. I’ve had my eye on a pair for awhile that has no camera, only microphone, but has a HUD. Having navigation, an irl minimap, without having to keep your phone out is nice and has some actual positive safety implications. Also, this might mean less to Americans, but as someone living in Europe, having in line translation is really, really cool. Could almost sell it on that alone. I’ve heard some deaf folks are also using it to help understand people by augmenting their lip reading (which usually doesn’t get all of the information across by itself) with summaries that the mic picked up.
I’ve only held off because the pair I was looking at seem like it isn’t quite there yet in reliability, but there are definitely some pretty big use cases I can think of. I would 100% get some of these without a camera.
Wondering how we’re doing on echolocation or if sensors that are less invasive but still useful might be tolerated in public. The device might identify objects generically… Maybe there’s some middleground between useful and perverted.
there’s really no reason to have a screen on your face
Look around. People have a screen on their face 24/7. Currently they need their hand to hold it there.
Maybe you mean there is no need for a camera on your face. That I agree with.
Lidar, rather than a camera. Allows it to create a 3d model of what’s in front of it without being able to take pictures itself
So there are certainly some valid use cases. They could be useful for surgeries, engineering design work, surveying, etc. None of these have you wearing them all the time or in social areas through. It’s a niche product they need to focus on those markets and stop trying to force mass adoption. It’s the same as AI.
Get away with watching YT at work? Reclaim hours of my life, that’s my end goal.
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There’s a YouTube guy that made his own and uses it as a teleprompter during his videos. Certainly a niche use case.
Not these devices but Zach Freedman of Voidstar Labs uses a single eye display as a teleprompter.
funny, I see it as a privacy nightmare and a tool for the worst kind of creep.
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good for you.
There is no market for such niches.
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I live next to a beach. I don’t think I will ever visit the popular areas again if these things become common.
Fortunately you only need to walk 60 seconds east/west of a car park to get away from most people and the coastline goes on for miles.
Maybe without cameras? I can see the use at work.
They will, unfortunately. I hate these things but I know that as soon as influencers make them cool, the shame will go away.
I really want to be wrong about this.
