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I’d love it if they had a comparable service, because competition is good for the consumer, but they just don’t.
Steam has had a relative monopoly for two decades, and we’re lucky they’ve been customer friendly. But if something were to happen to Gabe, or Valve decided to go public or something, we’re screwed.
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When Gabe dies, we’re SO fucked.
There will be a time where Gabe will no longer be there. Hopefully someone as good as him is ready to fight the good fight.
I wonder if Gabe would go as far as doing a Halliday move like in ready player one.
I feel like that’s a bad idea cause it’s gonna be a sweaty cheater that would crack the thing and fuck everyone up.
If Epic could actually provide a better service, they would be seeing customers and developers actually want to use their platform.
Doubt
Gog is objectively giving you more value for your money but even cdpr had to release the Gwent standalone on steam eventually because people didn’t buy it enough - once it was on steam it sold more than in a year on gog in weeks
People don’t look at the alternatives at all - unless it’s a AAA game with an exclusive deal
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https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/2720-4EC7-B95A-1D2A steams regional pricing is basically gone…
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They ruined a game I loved and I will never forgive them.
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Rocket league 😞
SAME.
I feel you man. 😔
Still play but no interest at all in ever using the shop or buying a pass
Same. I play out of habit and will drop it like a rock once I find a replacement game. I’m already at like half the playtime. Haven’t spent a cent since they moved trading.
Unreal Tournament
Epic building a launcher that has equivalent features to Steam would do nothing. Everyone wants all their games in one place, and everyone already has their friends list there.
Getting exclusives and giving away games is probably the only way they could even enter the market. Yeah the launcher kinda sucks, but Valve has decades of development that they’ve poured into Steam, it isn’t simple to just copy everything. There was a time that Steam sucked.
Steam is a de-facto monopoly. They luckily don’t really do anti competitive practices, they just focus on having a great product, and that’s why people (myself included) love them. But I don’t think another company can ever really enter the PC market without a few tricks like exclusives or free games.
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Me: What do I have to do?
Gabe: Nothing sordid I assure you. Simply open your wallet, ever so gently, while I humiliate Tim Sweeny
~opens my wallet~
Gabe: Save it for the Steam Sale
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that picture of Gabe is fucking peak IDGAF
Is he holding a bowl in his hand or is it just me LMAO
It’s a steam deck. (and a phone)
I thought the phone was a knife, cause that would have also been reasonable.
I like to believe that the Steam Deck was never meant to be sold as a product.
It was just Gabe who wanted to play games on the deck of his yatch, so he got few engineers at Valve to work on a solution.
Of course the engineers were a bit too enthusiastic and turned it into an actual consumer product.
Oh Sweeney having a tantrum, when hasn’t that happened monthly since like 10 years ago? Sweeney if you want more money than what you’re already making, then fucking make better products man. Fucking asshole trying to win the game by crying to daddy government and having fits. It would be one thing if he was a small guy being treated unfairly, but this dude is in the elite as well, his company is a big name in the game, but he cries as if he was small potatoes being treated unfairly by big corpos. Fuck off, corpo trash trying to pass as a small boy. If there’s a thing more annoying than a corporation being an asshole is an asshole corporation trying to pass as a victim.
You know what I find more annoying then that? Defending a monopoly that’s rent seeking to the tune of a million dollars of revenue per employee per year, and that’s with most of the employees literally being paid to work on nothing.
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Everything you said specifically excludes Valve and Steam from being a monopoly. The definition of monopoly includes the anticompetitive behaviors. They don’t give a fuck about competition. They don’t buy up everyone who could be a threat. They don’t push for exclusivity contracts on big upcoming games. They exist and work to continue to do so. That is how business is supposed to be.
Developers are allowed to distribute their games directly to consumers. Thats not rent seeking or a monopoly.
Sweeney is such a little bitch.
Sweeney is such a child
He’s entirely right. Valve is just stealing money from gamers and developers by not lowering their fees.
Valve is just stealing money from gamers
If you actually think that reduced fees mean lower cost for consumer, you’re out of touch with reality.
and developers
They are free to go somewhere else like the EGS utopia where developers are definitively get paid directly an equal cut of each sale and no publisher intermediary like EA and Activision is just taking all the revenue and the developers get paid their usual salary anyhow.
You’re right. Giving 30% for really fucking good platform services is way worse than having to find a publisher that takes in 70 to 90% of revenue and pushes devs to release unfinished games.
Yeah seriously. As a dev, that 30% cut gets you a lot of stuff with absolutely no additional charges. Trying to roll your own distribution for your downloads could exceed that 30% by itself after you:
- Host the files somewhere that can be downloaded anywhere close to as fast as steam’s servers
- Handle payment processing fees
- Develop and maintain a site with high reliability
And that’s only downloads. With steam you also get:
- p2p networking tools
- game server hosting
- steam community integration
- analytics
- cloud saves
- voip
And like 50 other things. It’s ridiculously good value unless you’re developing some super low rent single player indie title. Even then, just having it available on steam will get you way more sales to make up for it.
Sure, epic charges 10% but you basically only get distribution and some super half baked community features.
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EGS is not profitable with the cut they take atm.
Sweeney it’s on drugs if he thinks valves cut is unfair
EGS would be profitable if they had the sales numbers that Steam does. Theyre not profitable because they’re basically just a fortnite and rocket league store.
And also a free games tap
And Epic Games is just distributing games to gamers and providing services to developers at cost?
I don’t like Steam but its clear that Epic is just mad because they were late to market and would otherwise charge similar fees.
Those fees are multi-industry standard though.
What about our economy makes you think that multiple industries can’t be corporate controlled monopolies / oligopolies?
You know what, I appreciate the call-out. I don’t trust our economy, and shouldn’t reference it in defense of one (in my experience) honorably led company.
The whole wolfire thing is very confusing.
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What is there so hard to understand?
They became billionaires without treating their customers like a product.
Enshitification hasn’t reached Valve yet.
They are making important progress in Linux compatibility for free.
Customer support consistently break their own rules to keep customers happy, at the expense of profit.
Their platform offers a lot of great services to customers for free.
Lmfao “for free”. Did you read the article? Did you not see the part where Valve takes 30% of every single game in existience’s revenue? The part where Valve makes more money per game then the studios actually developing them?
Yes, steam was great and rose to its monopoly through its greatness, but they have been flat out abusing that monopoly by not lowering prices when they can. The occasional free return is a trinket they throw back at you after overcharging you by at least 15% on every single other game you’ve ever purchased.
The services are free for the customers though.
30% is and isn’t a lot when you consider everything it entitles you to do as a developer, including high-speed download servers, community tools, advertising, SteamWorks platform etc.
The work valve is doing in development of Proton isn’t an occasional trinket, it’s an ongoing and important project which is helping to defeat the real monopoly, Microsoft.
Also, I’m a patient gamer, Steam sales are frequent enough that I have always paid the best price.
Epic charges you 5% of revenue after a million dollars to use the entirety of Unreal engine. 30% for a store with an add on market is not reasonable.
And how’s that going for them? Have they stopped running at a loss yet?
Come back to me when Tim Sweeny has a viable business strategy.
And how’s that going for them?
Excellently, Unreal Engine makes a huge amount of money for them.
Have they stopped running at a loss yet?
You’re probably thinking of the Epic Games Store, not Unreal Engine, and it would be grossly profitable at 12% commission if it had the established infrastructure and sales numbers that Steam does, it’s only not profitable because they are still developing and building infrastructure and they basically just sell Fortnite and Rocket League.
I was only talking about Epic Game Store, not Unreal.
But on that matter, Valve charges much less for their engine, and is often free for indie devs.
EGS would be grossly profitable if they had a good service, but they don’t because their platform is shit.
“They basically just sell Fortnite and Rocket League”
So, has anything changed in the past 3 years or are they just doing the exact same thing, hoping something would change?
Your reading comprehension skills are garbage if this is your take. Also steam has DEEP discounts on their store 4x a year for 2 weeks at a time lol. Literally two months out of the year.
Gotta love it…
I’ll never understand why some people look at the fact that steam is popular because of their policies, and can’t help but make a comment like this equating that popularity to cock worship.
Like, we get it bro. You’re thinking about cocks and you’re mad about a half decent game store. What compelled you to combine those thoughts on a public forum?
The weird thing is that this isn’t even the first comment I’ve seen like this. Dudes that are mad about steam want everyone else to know about steam’s massive, throbbing cock for some reason. This guy alone has posted 3 of these.
Fucking hilarious 🤣🤣🤣😂
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You could go to another site but then you wouldn’t get the attention that you crave.
You need us “assholes.”
