• Funkt4st1c@lemmy.world
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    A lot of people just lack critical thinking skills and imagination. A lot of people like being at the bottom of hierarchy. A lot of people like when people they dont like suffer, even if it means they do, too. A lot of people are religious. All of these things are plagues on our society, and a lot of them are done on purpose by those in power.

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    Eh, I think it’s oversimplification to attribute it to a single motivation. There are definitely people like OP is describing, but there are also definitely the ‘temporarily embarrassed millionaire’ types. And honestly I think a damn big percentage is just plain ol’ fear of change wrapped in several layers of rationalization.

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      Another reason: it’s really easy for unimaginative people to sound smart with cynicism. They’d rather be superior than be right.

      “Look at that crash! I told you that flying machines can’t work.”

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        Oo yeah, for real. I kind of stumbled upon this in my teens (maybe everyone does), but luckily was able to snap out of it, woke up, and realised I could form flexible informed opinions that define my whole personality

  • Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world
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    I don’t defend the rich but I also don’t claim it’s stupid hard to make 75k and up and I will never in my life say starting a career that can help you live comfortably is an impossible task.

    I think the unwillingness to invest in one’s self and to sacrifice your thought process of fuck climbing up the ladder, is what’s hurting people’s personal wealth growth.

    I think that as much people are preserving themselves and not going into careers because they don’t offer as many benefits as the boomers, I also think people are limiting themselves and I think that if you don’t want to invest in your future, that’s your own fault.

    However, I do not agree with generational wealth but I don’t disagree on passing a home down. If you’re fortunate enough to have a house passed down to you, then that’s what you are, fortunate.

    I dont agree with trusifarians using their wealth to buy up more property or to be greedy and glutenous with their money.

    I don’t hate on the six figure earners but I think once you make 450k/year, you can start figuring out ways to better society.

    I think once you hit a 20mil* net worth, you can figure out ways to help other people.

    • explodicle@sh.itjust.works
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      It’s like the Stanford marshmallow experiment. It’s not willpower, it’s that people have been taught that any money we save will be lost.

      We’re all expected to invest or lose money to inflation. But most of us don’t know anything about investing. So we trust our money to some Wall Street type, and then get called stupid when we pick the wrong dudes. But you don’t get called stupid if you just spend the money now.

      It’s even worse in the USA where everyone has the specter of medical debt hanging over us. You can do everything right and then just get a massive forever debt from which bankruptcy can’t save you. Better to spend the money on a community that might appreciate it.

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        And I pointed this out before that rich people inadvertently will end up becoming involved in politics, even if there was not interest or want to in the beginning or was never a goal; It’s shocking how many of them end up getting to know their mayor at a personal level to leverage them.

        Most don’t leverage their local government for the better and it’s rare to see it. It’s rare that someone will like actually fund a food bank for a year and become involved in the community. Imagine having enough money to set a trust for a church to have an indefinite food bank? That would be so fucking cool, I would so do that if I had that kind of money to toss around. Or or or like buying old hospitals and completely demolishing them and putting up modern hospitals.

  • Vegafjord - demcon@slrpnk.net
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    They see people like Musk, and they see strength, if only because of their economic capabilities. They want a society of strength. A society where people hoard around the few to lift them up. A society that enables greatness. Somebody who can look mortality in the eyes and reject it. To bring us into the future with vitality.

    What they fail to see is that by turning the mighty into gods, we turn ourselves into coggs. In the pursuit of lifting them up, we alienate ourselves from the meaningful. Makes us sacrifice for the superficial. We become lifeless and in fear of the meaningful.

  • miellaby@jlai.lu
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    This is a mistake that many leftists do, thinking that people don’t like authoritarianism. A lot of people crave for it

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      In theory, a benevolent dictatorship is a good system, that can cut through a lot of bureaucracy and enact good changes in a timely fashion. The obvious problems are who gets to be dictator and how do you keep the dictatorship benevolent.

      If I could unilaterally make somebody a dictator and believed they would do what’s best, I’d do it. But I don’t know if there is such a person. To me it just seems like people believe in and trust certain public figures to agree with them, and enact the same changes they’d want.

    • menas@lemmy.wtf
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      people tend dislike authoritarianism, but tend to be afraid of society changement. Everybody got contradiction

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    Or they are just brainwashed, and can’t fathom another type of society after ~500 years of capitalism.

    I’ve known far more Musk fanboys than I would have liked to, and I wouldn’t say they see him or other genocidal pedophiles as gods or anything.

    In fact, it’s quite difficult to describe it or compare it to anything, because that sort of blind admiration just plain doesn’t make any sense, and usually contradicts their other beliefs. Which is a big sign of being affected by propaganda.

  • SalmonTractor@discuss.tchncs.de
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    The thread is so lost anymore it doesn’t even matter. In America it is just survival as America becomes Russia. You can’t defend anyone when you can’t even get your doctor visit or medication to live if you even try to rock the boat for more than 3 days. If that. Modern feudalism.

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    I hate it, but also think it is true. A slave does not want to be free and all that - it does explain so many things

    • hansolo@lemmy.today
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      My mother, and one of my nieces, think this way.

      They do a ton of work for a man they think should tell them how to live life. Even how to vote. They gladly abdicate their agency as a human so they “don’t have to think about silly things like politics.”

      The irony is my mother is an incredibly strong woman. But it’s religion that makes her think this way. My nice is just very much a people pleaser, and her fiance is just the baby of the family, so he makes demands and expects everyone else to clean up after him.

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        This is a drama I wouldn’t wish anyone to go through. Religion is insanity indeed

    • cobalt32@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      That also happens to be the literal definition. Surprisingly few people know that the political left and right correspond to equality and hierarchy respectively.

      • FishFace@piefed.social
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        Right and left wing are historical terms stemming from the literal left and right halves of a physical building. If you’re not referring to the revolution era french national assembly, you have to accept that since other connotations may have snuck in along the way.

        Even at the time the terms came with complex meanings.

        Boiling it down at any time merely to equality versus hierarchy is only something you’d do if you want to misrepresent people by oversimplification.

  • CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world
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    The world would be better if a bunch of people could just admit they are into mental BDSM and they are subs

  • Lumelore (She/her)@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    As I heard someone else say recently, everything with conservatives is either team sports or cuck porn and it really seems that’s true.

  • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world
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    It’s also “don’t rock the boat.” Because if society decides that rich people don’t get to be filthy rich, the rich peoppe will take it out on the peasants so they can stay as rich as possible. IOW if we don’t leave the rich people alone they’ll be mean to us and take even more.

    • zarkanian@sh.itjust.works
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      This is the same logic as “If I give the bully some money, then they won’t take all of my money”. If they can get some, why wouldn’t they take the rest? Appeasement doesn’t work. They just push for more.