• xenon [pup/pup's, she/her]@hexbear.net
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    i dislike genai under capitalism

    i also think saying the equivalent of “nobody but nintendo should be allowed to make a game about catching monsters in balls” is bad

    the one good thing ai has done is show how many people are perfectly happy with copyright law and intellectual property as soon as it helps them lol

    something something petit bourgeoisie

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    I guarantee that the AI companies are training on the source code/assets of any project that can be decompiled using traditional tools. Unity/C# is easy to decompile, as the guy mentions in the video. I’d be suing the AI companies if I had the means.

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    In an ideal world there would be no intellectual property so this means I can go fuck up the lives and work of indie devs for my own profit while corporations can send out an army of lawyers and be ultimately unaffected by this. Unlimited destruction on indie devs and gamers! As long as I get what I want then the world is good

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      further empowering copyright law and intellectual property laws will not improve the lives of anybody but the bourgeoisie

      furthermore, if your game is so generic that it can be meaningfully copied by genai to such a degree that it can compete quality wise then your game probably isnt going anywhere anyway

      sure i could have an llm remake balatro for me, that doesnt mean the slop clone would be any good or get any attention

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        Whatever helps you sleep at night mate. God forbid i care about actual workers unlike yourself. Ynow real people who live right now rather than the hypotheticals that live in your head

        • xenon [pup/pup's, she/her]@hexbear.net
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          “you not wanting copyright law to include ideas means you dont care about actual workers” right, right

          please, do tell me how expanding copyright law will improve the lives of the proletariat

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            Artisans are petite bourgeois, you’re really going to bat for the petite bourgeois? And in a way, they are worse than artisans, they can make a passive income and are reliant on cheap IT labor being done elsewhere. It is similarly easy for them to develop into actual capitalists with a studio to themselves. lenin-sure

            The Narodnik economists have not only tried to obscure the fact that the bulk of the small peasant industrialists belong to the category of commodity-producers, but have even created quite a legend about some profound antagonism allegedly existing between the economic organisation of the small peasant industries and large-scale industry. The unsoundness of this view is also evident, by the way, from the above-quoted data. If the big industrialist stops at nothing to ensure himself a monopoly, the peasant engaging in “handicrafts” is in this respect his twin brother; the petty bourgeois endeavours with his petty resources to uphold substantially the same class interests the big manufacturer seeks to protect when he clamours for protection, bonuses, privileges, etc.

            https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1899/dcr8v/v8ii.htm

            You are fundamentally a Narodnik rn. Any protection to the capitalists is also what a small developer would clamber for. These protections are inherently anti-communist. The “good” (can a gamer be good?) game producer would be one that provided their code as open source from the jump, and these people do in fact exist.

            • xenon [pup/pup's, she/her]@hexbear.net
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              petit bourgeoisie? competing class interests? listen, pal, capitalism is when the business is Big and socialism is when the business is Small

              “i came up with this so nobody else should be allowed to use it unless they pay me” is a completely reasonable thought for people to have, and if you think otherwise you are just some red fash tankie falling for see see pee propaganda

              /s

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            The petite-bouegois actually have skills that are useful to other humans on the planet. Lumpen-techbros are literally parasites upon parasites. LLMs aren’t a demolition of intellectual property but an enclosure of it.

            The bitter users on here who call everything petit-bourgeois aren’t going to organize their way out of a paper bag.

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              Like, part of how communists have always operated is asymmetrically to capital.

              Some guy making a video game himself and then selling it in an open manner isn’t capitalism. LLMs destroying that side-gig for Marc Brown isn’t helping the communist movement. Even if he just made the game for free it’s not like the communist movement would be any better off. Game devs aren’t forced to post open source code the same way musicians aren’t and shouldn’t be forced to post sheet music for all their songs. Marc Brown wasn’t hiring other developers. He was only exploiting the 3rd world the same way we all are by posting online right now on hardware that’s mined awfully.

              There is no world where LLMs are going to actually destroy IP laws. There is no world where communists will be able to deploy LLMs more effectively than the capitalists, who de facto own everything. They will deploy them 1000s of times over us and less ethically.

              The people who want to slop his game aren’t even targeting, like, Call Of Duty and redistributing profits to communist groups or Palestine or something. It’s people who hate us more than Marc Brown or at least are less useful to us than Marc Brown profiting from his work to make something shittier to other consumers, or even worse, just spamming up the internet and soaking up resources to do it.

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                the same way musicians aren’t and shouldn’t be forced to post sheet music for all their songs

                sheet music is just notation, and there should be a repository of it and chord charts. musicians can do a decent job transcribing anything they hear anyway, all hiding it does is gatekeep beginners.

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                they did target adobe already though, and there cannot be profits to be redistributed, the point of piracy innit.

                musicians have twerked for copyright protection so much now they get paid pennies by spotify for them to make better drones, and still earn majority of money on merch and concerts. rather the point of whole charade of le petit musique artiste making bank has fallen off then innit?

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                  And adobe will shut it down when they deem it to be a threat.

                  I have no idea what you mean regarding musicians and copyright or how this pertains to anything being said.

            • xenon [pup/pup's, she/her]@hexbear.net
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              found the counter-revolutionary

              The bitter users on here who call everything petit-bourgeois aren’t going to organize their way out of a paper bag.

              “artisans are petit bourgeosie” - literally lenin

              let me know when you achieve as much or more than lenin and your opinion on the revolutionary potential of small business owners can be considered

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                Also America is the nation of the petite bourgeois, Engels said America has no revolutionary potential until these pb are renters and have no land to homestead on. Overcoming the petite bourgeois is almost, if not more, important as overcoming the capitalists.

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    same thing you do when a giant corporation clones your game, mechanics generally aren’t subject to IP laws and on the absurd occasion where they are like the nemesis system or crapcom’s loading screen minigame patent, everyone says it’s a farce.

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      Except it’s not really the same cause a giant corporation has to pay a bunch of employees and spend time to clone your game. Now if you spend a bunch of your time making a game and it starts making waves someone could spend a weekend cloning it and charge half the price for it