Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was personally and explicitly warned that Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar was planning a major attack roughly 10 days before the October 7 massacre, but dismissed the threat and did not alert his security chiefs, according to a shocking new Haaretz report.
The revelations come from research for an upcoming book Hostages: 843 Days of Abandonment, written by journalists Shlomi Eldar and Ruth Yuval, who writes for Haaretz.
Plus the fighter jets that could have intercepted the planes were conveniently not there.
Not saying they orchestrated it, but if you think Cheney wasn’t above letting a few thousand citizens die for massive defense spending, I have a bridge to sell you.
The two flights that hit the Twin Towers were as unexpected as anything we’ve experienced since Pearl Harbor. I don’t think Cheney “allowed” them through. I think the national bureaucracy was sloppy and failed to catch the hijacking before it happened.
Meanwhile, Flight 93 was very likely shot down and then covered up.
Republicans were going to get a massive defense spending bill passed one way or another. Dems are always happy to roll over and “Support the Troops” when push comes to shove. It’s a stretch to say Cheney slow-rolled the response to a terrorist attack for the money. But very easy to believe he and Bush fumbled the response because they were bad at their actual administrative jobs. But then they spun the fuck-up into a cash grab months after the fact, because they’re very good at that sort of thing.
I still believe we let Pearl Harbor happen to drum up support for entering the war. I have no doubts the Bush administration wouldn’t do the same.
They used Bush as a distraction while they did shit behind the scenes. I don’t even think Bush was actually as dumb as he appeared to be. I think a chunk of it was an act.
So, at that point Hawaii wasn’t a state. The queen of Hawaii was asking for anyone during this ongoing war to liberate them from their horrible US occupiers. Japan thought the US would be mad about it and Japan would be able to say they were just liberating Hawaii which is what that were doing with other islands around the pacific already. The US knew about the attack and pulled the valuable assets to attack the planes as they went back. What was left in the harbor were old ww1 relics that they didnt care about. When Japan saw this, they actually feared we knew and were going to attack them after they dropped their payload (which we were) so they called off most of the attack before it really even began and took a different route home.
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It’s certainly possible FDR was warned of the Japanese attack in advance. But we didn’t have a Pacific Fleet capable of repelling them. Moving what we had to Pearl Harbor was an effort to improve our (generally weak) Pacific naval capacity and establish a forward operating base in anticipation of an attack in the Philippines. Not coincidentally, Japan took the Philippines the day after Pearl Harbor.
Also, this was already two years into WW2 and four years into the Sino-Japanese War (where we’d been backing the KMT against Japanese encroachment since the 1920s). Nothing like 9/11, unless you want to claim we’d been at war with a continent-spanning Islamic industrialized military since the late 90s.
Also, plus, further, too, the 9/11 attacks were calculated by Bin Laden as an explicit provocation intended to draw the US into a quagmire war in Afghanistan. Which… it did! Maybe didn’t go down exactly the way he planned, as the US dicked around in Afghanistan far longer than the Russians managed before their government collapsed. But if 9/11 is the Pearl Harbor to this analogy, it’s akin to saying Tojo wanted the US Navy to exhaust itself in the Pacific over the next twenty years. Let’s not forget that Bush didn’t want a war with Afghanistan. He was focused on Iraq and Iran. Afghanistan was a massive distraction.
And all of this hinges in a world in which FDR knew about the highly secretive Japanese navy movements in advance decades before we had the B-2 spy plane much less satellite surveillance. All to score a… media victory? In a country where FDR’s post-Depression government already had a heavy collar on the national press to the point that he was doing highly rated nightly podcasts to a national audience?
It’s a pure apples/oranges comparison.
There’s a lot of evidence that he knew.
https://www.historyonthenet.com/intelligence-warnings-of-the-pearl-harbor-attack-before-dec-7-1941
We cut off Japan’s fuel supply. Of course we knew they would retaliate.
Idk man. Prior to 9/11, “support the troops” wasn’t exactly a winning message. Go watch some 90s TV/movies, the military was always doing some dirty shit. Then after 9/11 the military was the best thing ever.
These types of covert operations are compartmentalised. Cheney would have only had need to know information, but they knew.
There are so many insane inconsistencies in all the stories surrounding that day. It is the greatest psy op the US ever perpetrated. I don’t think the attacks were US coordinated. People with influence were able to make sure there where NORAD exercises that day, and ensure plenty of chaos and disorganisation. Cheney would have been able with Rumsfeld to make sure the sector where the object impacted the pentagon was reinforced. The gang who knew what was going on got pretty big, to the point people got put options on the airlines the day before.
But the US really kicked into gear right after it happened. The WTC steel was immediately shipped off to china, there was no investigation about building 7 doing random free fall stuff. And then there was that word: conspiracy theorists. I’m fairly certain a bunch of the ‘theories’ were added by the CIA to make sure people just got fatigue or kept arguing among each other (the same way Trump floods the zone and we all gave up on the Epstein Files).
But I saw what I saw. An Empire in decline with no real enemy and no active war fronts and the biggest war machine as proportion of its GDP. What’s 3,000 people and a whole bunch of inconvenient documents disappearing as price to pay to feed that beast?
Of course Cheney didn’t know, he didn’t have to know.
I think it’s just the most propagandized event in modern history. We’ve had 25 years of professional conspiracy theories connecting dots that when you do a mild amount of digging end up being explained by incompetency, greed, or just general misinformation.
How are we determining who’s important, and how are we determining where they were supposed to be?
The remodel of the pentagon began in 1990, the reinforment of the west side started 3 years before and was still being completed when the airplane struck.
The airplane hit the west side because the highjackers too over a west bound plane.
The options you are talking about happened because they were publicly recommended by a tips sheet from a popular broker.
Most of it was sold to recycling companies, a lot of that was to overseas markets that traditionally recyles the most steel. Thousands of tons of it were made into memorial that you can visit all across America. Why do you think having all of the steel would be important to the investigation?
The “free fall” that people refer to is because the internal support had already buckled and failed before facade came down. A lot of the claims that a sky scraper had never collapsed to a fire, were technically false at the time and have happened several times over in a similar fashion since.
They didn’t really need too, plenty of people made great living slinging new conspiracy theories about 9/11.
An empire in decline that spent a lot of time abroad fucking around, and 2001 was the time we found out. Political blowback is a mother fucker.
No, I’ve done this for 25 years.
There is enough details out there on the internet to convince anyone with a functioning brain that your theory is correct or mine, or any of the 256bits of grey zone in between. That’s what the fallout campaign did so well. Everything is in question and debunkable.
At the end, some one’s 9/11 opinion is just a reflection on whether they believe dark societal influences are capable of plotting, executing and looking the other way while others are plotting and executing.
The only logical thing to do due to the flooding of evidence is looking at the history, from the dropping of the bombs, having a magic bullet with very sharp turns kill a US president, the rise of the MIC (Eisenhouwer’s final words), the decoupling of the dollar to gold by Nixon in 74, and the hiding of the true money reserves, all the way to the SC installing a president in 2000…
This is where you’ll say ‘tf does that have to do with 9/11’.
You can zoom in like you do with the reason why the steel was shipped off or when the pentagon reinforcement started, but you only go there as long as it is comfortable to try and destabilise the person you’re arguing with. As long as it sounds like you have rational explanations that don’t make you sound like a conspiracy theorist.
This is where your arguments are so clever: the steel one sidesteps that this was a crime scene, and the steel was evidence. By asking that question you put the onus on me, rather than having to admit that the crime scene and investigation was not done according to procedure.
Yes, that’s why so many people did it. I basically retired on it. /s
Again, sidestepping that this is a heavily surveilled area, all footage was instantly confiscated (like that was planned beforehand) and only half a dozen frames were released ever of the impact, not at all proving beyond a reasonable doubt it was a plane.
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These discussions will never end unless you are willing to see what the Epstein Class behind the organisations can accomplish and how they can sidestep, control and manipulate almost any aspect of any government.
I understand you don’t want to believe that. And you’ll find evidence on the glorious internet you’re right till you die. But you’re in luck, as we approach this armageddon of these sick cults, they will do less and less effort to hide their power, and now with Trump “no more wars”, “dictator for one day”, you can almost see the hand of the puppet master.
TLDR: the internet will always tell you you’re right. Especially on a subject that had an active pysop executed on it (you call it propagandised). The covert groups and cults that planned and executed this had the motive, the opportunity and the ability to do so, and gave the US 2 forever wars for 2 decades and trillions in MIC spending.
PS: did you know Boeing, the company that makes the planes you fly on has murdered multiple whistleblowers? Never found guilty of anything. They were just suicides.
And I’ve been hearing people make up wacky conspiracy theories for 25 years.
Not if you know anything about engineering and aren’t looking to validate your own conspiracies.
There’s such a thing as objectivity, there is plenty of actual evidence out there to disprove the vast majority of what people claim about 9/11.
That’s not logical… That’s just fallacy. Just because actual conspiracies exist, it does not mean all confusing events are conspiracy. What does that mean for the first attack on the world trade center in 93’ what conspiracy was at the root of that event?
I assume you mean the nuclear bombs? I don’t really see the conspiracy angle? Sure there’s deeper inteigue on the motivations of Truman… But that hardly counts as conspiracy.
Again… That’s a theory, not actually what happened. The killing of JFK was most likely the result of gross incompetency, and the attempt by the secret service and the feds trying to cover up their incompetency.
Eisenhower himself is a large reason why the MIC developed in the first place. People forget the rest of his speech where he calls out the need to grow America’s weapons capability to win the Cold war. It wasn’t a conspiracy, it was a cautious call to action.
Because the gold standard was dumb, and it led to foreign nations buying up our reserves anytime gold became more valuable than the price set by Congress. It was bleeding us dry in the middle of a recession
There is no such thing as real or fake money when you have a fiate currency. This is just a poor understanding of macro economics.
Again, political scandal and failure to rectify the court is not really a hidden conspiracy. The brooks brother riot and the sc actions afterwards is well documented and known by anyone who is current on modern American history.
You mean I can rationally think about a theory to tell if it is logically sound? Like the same thing anyone does for any basic problem solving?
A better question would be why are those questions significant? You beg questions but won’t allude to their significants, mainly because that would require you to propose an actual theory that would be easily taken apart.
You have this backwards… There is an established theory of the events with plenty of evidence to back what led to the towers falling. You are questioning that theory of event, but you aren’t proposing a reason why. I am not submitting an argument, you are. I am simply questioning the reason for your argument and why it’s relevant. If you are questioning a theory established with evidence, then you have to submit a reason why and with evidence.
There is a difference between a national disaster and simple murder investigation. How exactly are you proposing this “evidence” was supposed to help the investigation more than it already had? Where were we going to store thousands of tons of wrecked steel? Why would we want to do that?
According to who? What procedure are we talking about?
And what are you trying to claim…?
Heavily surveiled for 2001… There were only 80 security cameras on/in the facility at the time. Which for 2001 was a lot, but not enough to get multiple angles of a plane flying at 500mph. Any investigation is going to start by “confiscating” aka gathering the evidence.
What are you wanting…? They released pictures of parts of the plane scattered on site. They released the distribution of body parts found on site from pentagon employees, airline riders, and even the terrorists themselves. What level of evidence do you need?
I’m not claiming people in the government can’t be influenced, just that there is no evidence that 9/11 was some sort of massive conspiracy that required the government to step in and do it themselves. Capable terrorist going against incompetent government agencies often lead to terrible outcomes.
I feel like people who do not have a reasonable grasp of history need to fill in the gaps in their knowledge about the world with some sort of overarching plot. The longest the US has been engaged in one conflict or another for nearly every year of its existence, estimates range from 12 to 30 years of peace depending on how you define conflict/war out of 240 years.
Forever war is the status quo, not the exception. There is an old saying coined by Winston Churchill “never let a good tragedy go to waste”. Politicians will use any crisis as a means to achieve their political goals, but that doesn’t mean they have to create the crisis.
You could say I believe Boeing has killed whitleblowers, and I would find that probable. You can’t claim they’ve definitely done it in these specific scenarios with any sort of confidence.
I think that’s kind of the greatest trick when it comes to conspiracies, I feel like 80% of the time the “government did this”, it’s more like the government is probably better at finding out details, and… not acting. IE every pubic figure known to man, probably has 20 credible assasination plots going against them at almost all times. You don’t have to twirl your moustache and hire an assasain, you just underfund the prevention group.
From the POV of hollywood movies and the endless barrage of cop tv shows: Government competency and the competency of those considering and planning crimes is grossly overestimated.
A targeted small group of individuals will almost always hit their target. The question is how they get away afterwards and for how long.
logically I would think this, but then at the same time I think… say people crazy enough to want to assassinate major political figures and celebrities seem unconsionably rare. There’s dozens of random killings and shootings every day. Why aren’t the daily slough of school shooters going after high schools, instead of setting their sights higher on going for senators or activists they disagree with, or CEOs.
Because most murders are committed via impulsive behaviour even if they are planned in advance. The actual decision to commit to the violence is usually done in an impulsive or impaired manner.
Most people doing mass shootings are doing it to people or an environment they know and interact with, because that is what is driving their emotional state. We collectively understand that the politicians are doing harm, but we know it in an impersonal way.