In contrast, I believe China is charting an alternative which I call “technomeritism”.
China is already technofeaudalist and is continuing to go down that path, so, you’re wrong. Its just more organized at doing it due to its authoritarianism
Look up its encroachment of the legal system with bias automators (usually incorrectly called AI) if you wanna argue that somehow China is better for freedom.
damn, i just looked up what the word 'authoritarianism ’ means and now i’m freaking the fr*ck out. have you ever heard of this book called 1984? it sounds like China is a lot like that book except that big brother is now Chinese and everything is happening in the year 2025 and not 1984 like the book said it would. crazy to think about (and i love to think!)
Isn’t America the one with huge overinvested private AI company bubbles, that are all closed- source, and whose only chances at profits come from ignoring small creators’ copyright?
Meanwhile China’s contribution to the common good includes open sourcing one of the most efficient models to date, enabling anybody with a half- decent home computer to run one.
Not saying it’s perfect, but that’s a meaningful difference in attitude.
Nobody’s intentionally distracting from your arguments, your arguments are up in the window for other Hexbear users to point and laugh at. We’re celebrating the opportunity to mock you!
How do you figure china is already technofeudalist if you don’t compare/contrast it with other countries?
Its just more organized at doing it due to its authoritarianism
More organized than who? Which country are you referring to if not America?
I think you’ll find that you can’t do analysis in isolation. A country’s character does not exist only in relation to its internal structure, but also in relation to other countries and their structures. Basic dialectics.
Yes China is authoritarian. People actually respect authority figures and trust them. Innovation is based on merit and benefit to society rather than accumulating private capital. The future must be authoritarian.
In the West there is no authoritarianism. It is the jungle where the strong eat the weak and authority is replaced with cheap goods and fear.
Yanis Vourofakis’s book defines it as rents almost entirely replacing profits, with technology being the replacement for feudal lands and with tech feudalists forgoing profits for pure rent seeking from the now lower class business owners i.e. merchants that can only rent capital instead of owning it and only sell in feudal markets like Amazon and gig workers i.e. tech serfs that have no workplace and float freely between tech feudal lords.
Yeah, rent seeking behavior has been a constant of capitalism especially since it entered its monopoly stage. The railroad barrons and oil barrons and mining barrons and shipping barrons etc etc just sit on valuable resources and collect rents, rather than producing anything for profit. That’s been with us for almost two centuries!
Capitalism bought some time with trust busting, but this is always the end game.
Not an expert but I’d put it somewhere around “using ‘tech’ (as in computers, software, etc.) to carry about fraudalism.”
If you’re wondering where I’d put feudalism, I’d be something like “limiting People’s economic (and sometimes social) mobility through leveraging ownership of resources the person needs to survive”.
Not an expert but I’d put it somewhere around “using ‘tech’ (as in computers, software, etc.) to carry about fraudalism.”
So you have no idea at all and are just guessing based on the composite words. And yet you try to tell people China has this model?
What is the right word to use when someone is pretending to know things when they have never even tried to learn them?
If you’re wondering where I’d put feudalism, I’d be something like “limiting People’s economic (and sometimes social) mobility through leveraging ownership of resources the person needs to survive”.
And you would be incorrect. Many previous and current economic system can be described this way, including capitalism. This does not distinguish feudalism and you would misinfoem others if you continue to make shit up like this.
lmao they declared they blocked hexbear, apparently because they are too afraid to confront their ignorance and chauvinism: https://hexbear.net/post/5385022
Yeah so words have meanings and taking a stab at interpreting them is a lot less effective than just looking it up. Feudalism is a specific mode of production, not what you wrote.
China is already technofeaudalist and is continuing to go down that path, so, you’re wrong. Its just more organized at doing it due to its authoritarianism
Look up its encroachment of the legal system with bias automators (usually incorrectly called AI) if you wanna argue that somehow China is better for freedom.
Thank you for taking your valuable time away from huffing gas to grace us with your deep and profound insights.
As a proud member of the gas huffing community we disavow that poster
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damn, i just looked up what the word 'authoritarianism ’ means and now i’m freaking the fr*ck out. have you ever heard of this book called 1984? it sounds like China is a lot like that book except that big brother is now Chinese and everything is happening in the year 2025 and not 1984 like the book said it would. crazy to think about (and i love to think!)
BIG BRAIN
Isn’t America the one with huge overinvested private AI company bubbles, that are all closed- source, and whose only chances at profits come from ignoring small creators’ copyright?
Meanwhile China’s contribution to the common good includes open sourcing one of the most efficient models to date, enabling anybody with a half- decent home computer to run one.
Not saying it’s perfect, but that’s a meaningful difference in attitude.
Why are you bringing up “America” (by which you actually mean The U.S.) as if I somehow brought it up in this comment chain?
Because the US is what the article is referring to in regards to technofeudalism.
Okay. Its not relevant to the comment chain. You’re intentionally distracting from my arguments.
Nobody’s intentionally distracting from your arguments, your arguments are up in the window for other Hexbear users to point and laugh at. We’re celebrating the opportunity to mock you!
Why are you acting as if you don’t have object permanace?
Because doing otherwise would be devastating to their “arguments”
How do you figure china is already technofeudalist if you don’t compare/contrast it with other countries?
More organized than who? Which country are you referring to if not America?
I think you’ll find that you can’t do analysis in isolation. A country’s character does not exist only in relation to its internal structure, but also in relation to other countries and their structures. Basic dialectics.
Your argument uses the term “authoritarianism”, so I disregarded it.
that’s gonna be good
Yes China is authoritarian. People actually respect authority figures and trust them. Innovation is based on merit and benefit to society rather than accumulating private capital. The future must be authoritarian.
In the West there is no authoritarianism. It is the jungle where the strong eat the weak and authority is replaced with cheap goods and fear.
Nah the west is authoritarian in a different way. Dictatorship of capital.
Which in other words is like obeying line goes up, full death cult society.
We “tankies” should just reclaim the word authoritarianism for ourselves and use it to describe anyone who resists capital.
Define technofeudalism
Yanis Vourofakis’s book defines it as rents almost entirely replacing profits, with technology being the replacement for feudal lands and with tech feudalists forgoing profits for pure rent seeking from the now lower class business owners i.e. merchants that can only rent capital instead of owning it and only sell in feudal markets like Amazon and gig workers i.e. tech serfs that have no workplace and float freely between tech feudal lords.
It’s an interesting idea, at least.
Yeah it’s Varoufakis’ thing. I think it is just monopoly capitalism in reality but it’s very funny that parent didn’t even Google it.
Yeah, rent seeking behavior has been a constant of capitalism especially since it entered its monopoly stage. The railroad barrons and oil barrons and mining barrons and shipping barrons etc etc just sit on valuable resources and collect rents, rather than producing anything for profit. That’s been with us for almost two centuries!
Capitalism bought some time with trust busting, but this is always the end game.
Not an expert but I’d put it somewhere around “using ‘tech’ (as in computers, software, etc.) to carry about fraudalism.”
If you’re wondering where I’d put feudalism, I’d be something like “limiting People’s economic (and sometimes social) mobility through leveraging ownership of resources the person needs to survive”.
So you have no idea at all and are just guessing based on the composite words. And yet you try to tell people China has this model?
What is the right word to use when someone is pretending to know things when they have never even tried to learn them?
And you would be incorrect. Many previous and current economic system can be described this way, including capitalism. This does not distinguish feudalism and you would misinfoem others if you continue to make shit up like this.
Have some basic humility.
lmao they declared they blocked hexbear, apparently because they are too afraid to confront their ignorance and chauvinism: https://hexbear.net/post/5385022
That entire Comm is mostly posts by Dr. Wesker
lmao
And nobody cares about their post, all the comments are just hexbears who followed them to continue mocking them lol
Edit: nobody cares about that entire com actually, 0 comments or upvotes anywhere. Why even bother posting there.
Yeah so words have meanings and taking a stab at interpreting them is a lot less effective than just looking it up. Feudalism is a specific mode of production, not what you wrote.
So true
You have a poor grasp on feudalism.