Do you think there’s a 13 year old girl in Gaza who is writing a diary that will be widely read by children across the world 40-50 years from now?
Maybe, but it will probably be destroyed by carpet bombing before anyone sees it.
It’s not carpet bombing it Ai kill list. It indiscriminately just attacks targets, they’ve been training it the whole time. Palantir is the company
It’s probably not them. I didn’t see anything about Gaza genocide in the impact studies section.
/s
It’s 2025, the teenagers mostly document their lives on social media. Tent life guy from Gaza got killed but there are others.
When this empire falls and the genocide history is able to be taught then yes I think some of these video records will be studied by children around the world.
Maybe, but the IDF will definitely burn anything they find, don’t want more records of their crimes where they can avoid it
They dgaf. They want the world to see what they are getting away with.
Now imagine what we don’t see.
The Germans occupied the Netherlands during WW2 and most (non Jewish) people could still live relevantly normal lives. Israel on the other hand is destroying everybody and everything in Gaza. They don’t even have a chance to write a diary.
Around 250,000 Dutchmen died in WW2. A substantial part of that came from the hunger winter in 1944 when the German army took the Dutch harvest. Dutch cities were first bombed by the Germans and afterwards by the allies, and many were in complete ruins. I am saying this not to downplay what Israel does to Palestina, but the idea that most Dutch people lived relatively “normal” lives during WW2 is ridiculous.
I meant normal in wartime. It wasn’t just a slaughter like Israel is doing. People could still have jobs and do stuff.
Indeed. If with doing jobs you mean the forced labor camps that healthy men were forced into. I mean, you just don’t help the cause by downplaying the bad experiences of other countries.
Israel is doing terrible things, but it simply doesn’t compare to the atrocities of the Third Reich. Almost nothing does. It’s important we don’t downplay just how horrible the Nazi regime was.
4 or 5 years probably
Do you really think it makes a difference?
Bombs exploding tend to hurt paper, fires tend to hurt paper, all the dust from shock waves tends to hurt paper, and bulldozers demolishing everything tend to hurt paper. If something survives that, then I still don’t think so.
If you’ll ask why, that’s for the same reason as why nobody wrote such a comment about an Alawi or Christian girl from Tartus in the last few days\weeks, to my knowledge. The estimates are of like 30 000 dead already, it’s likely more, many civilians are hiding on the Russian bases but you wouldn’t expect Russia to protect people it vowed to protect.
Suffering in Gaza is real, but the reason you think about it is that it’s convenient, those who suffer are Sunni, and those who kill them are of the general western alliance. It can’t be resolved who has more rights between these people, the westerners have just a bit more than Sunnis, but Sunnis have enough to cause outrage. The rest - not a beep.
That’s because Gaza is both real and an approved propaganda narrative. And if it weren’t the latter, then who knows, maybe it weren’t the former too and Israelis would have found somebody else to bomb.
Unfortunately, I’m fully capable of comprehending this.
Israel should be dismantled. They are a genocidal state and deserve no statehood.
No state “deserves” statehood. Statehood should be dismatled.
Fuck these fake borders dividing the people against each other.
Same as it ever was Same as it ever was Same as it ever was Same as it ever was
You may ask yourself: Well, how did I get here?
The Balfour Declaration?
Even earlier, Sykes-Picot Agreement
Found the philosophical anarchist. 🙂
Guilty as charged. (:
This message is literally saying, “dismantle your military, and we will ethnically cleanse you.”
“Attention Bajoran workers” energy.
#CardassiansDidNothingWrong
That’s in part what it was based on
I would love to come across one of the voters that voted for the orange fascist because they thought Kamala would be worse for the Palestines somewhere in the wild. It would be incredible to see if they still feel strongly about it now.
Most just abstained, voters who actually switched sides don’t exist imo. If you voted trump last election, you never would have voted kamala even if she actually tried to win.
That being said, I can’t really blame people for drawing the line at genocide of all things. The dems thought they had an easy win so they decided to represent genocide instead of us, the voters. I still voted for them regardless but it felt altogether gross. It shouldn’t feel that way, they are supposed to be the good ones.
I don’t think we should condone the behavior by pivoting the blame to voters, who are just trying to be heard since clearly the democratic party has stopped listening.
Most just abstained
An abstain from voting is a vote that says “I’m fine with anyone or everyone”. An abstain is a vote that says “I am complacent to the outcome”.
If you want to protest, if nothing else, write in.
I can’t really blame people for drawing the line at genocide of all things
They didn’t draw the line at genocide. If you stand and watch and do nothing you are complicit in the genocide.
I’ll quote another comment of mine in this same thread.
The majority of people who fell into this camp of refusing to vote for her were Palestinians. They had every right not to vote for someone who openly said she would continue to fund and arm the people killing their families and utterly destroying their communities. The correct thing was always for the Democrats to support human rights globally, to stand firmly against colonialism and stand with the Palestinians. They refused to do that. It’s honestly incredibly gross to find fault with people refusing to politically support people who are explicitly involved in the destruction of their people.
The continuing refusal of liberals to have any empathy for Palestinians is entirely emblematic of the failures of the democratic party. Over and over and over again you will compromise on genocide, compromise on human rights itself, to defend the disgusting political decisions of the democratic establishment. It’s never the fault of the democratic establishment for funding and arming a genocide, it’s always the fault of the minorities who wouldn’t vote for a party support the killing of their families and razing of their communities. How in god’s name do you plan to fight against fascism if you can’t even stand against racist colonialist ideology in the political party you support?
The majority of people who fell into this camp of refusing to vote for her were Palestinians.
Yeah, no. We don’t have that many Palestinians here.
Expand it a bit and there are enough Palestinians, Muslims, and sympathizers in the country to swing the vote. Harris should have been better, but they all saw her for who she was, a cop who kissed the wall.
And how many people do you think did not vote for specifically because of her continued support of Israel? How many people are you imagining here?
This ain’t an insurance claim. Multiple parties can be, and are, in the wrong.
The democratic party leadership should resign effective 10 years ago. It’s obviously entirely corrupted by corporate interests. The citizens who decided that was an excuse to sit on the sidelines to enable a full-blown fascist takeover are fascist enablers - which is not mutually exclusive with being victims. And they share the blame.
Anyway none of that fucking matters anymore because america had its last free federal election. You’ll excuse the rest of the world for being bitter about it because, and I cannot stress enough how deadly serious I am writing these words, we’ll be insanely lucky if the Palestinian Genocide ends up being the worst humanitarian disaster to come out of Trump’s electoral win. This motherfucker has fully and irreversibly upended 80 years of Pax Americana and now after decades of relative standstill Nuclear Proliferation is once again underway as american allies can no longer rely on the nuclear umbrella and enemies are no longer betting on a coherent and predictable foreign policy. Canada, Poland, South Korea, and probably more are now seriously contemplating or already working on a nuclear weapons program, not to mention that he expedited Iran’s own nuclear program in his first term in case you forgot. The genuine threat of Nuclear War is once again looming on the horizon, even if most people are too dense or too wrapped up in culture wars to notice.
So yeah, I’m real fucking mad at any fucking idiot American who ate the lies and astroturfing about Palestine, who refused to participate in harm reduction and subsequently enabled Trump and potentially doomed the whole of Humanity to a nuclear war in the medium term. From the bottom of my heart, fuck them.
It’s like you didn’t read my post at all, maybe you accidentally replied to the wrong post.
I didn’t tell anyone to vote Kamala or DNC, I said a write-in vote is a protest vote. For the love of God you can write in “anti-genocide” or “I stand with Palestine” as your vote, that is a protest.
Keeping this short because I hope you actually read this.
If you’re going to protest, cast a blank vote, if you abstain you’re just going to end up mixed with the “too lazy to vote” crowd.
Also, having maned voting booths in my own country a couple of times (I expect it’s not all that different in the US) writting stuff in the your ballot paper will just make a vote invalid and nobody will record or even care about you wrote there - maybe 2 or 3 people will see your words there while counting votes, but that’s it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Write-in_candidate
It’s not exclusive to the US but it’s mostly a US practice.
In the US they’re aggrigated so, if someone really cared, they could see how many people wrote in. It won’t be counted until the votes that actually matter in the election are done being counted though, but it can be used to give insight to political strategists.
It’s like you didn’t read my post at all, maybe you accidentally replied to the wrong post.
You’re supposed to agree with me when I say my stupid shit! It’s literally the only correct way to think!
My giant brain still somehow can’t comprehend someone reading what I have to say and dismissing it…!
It’s about a coherent trail of ideas. If I’m talking about write-in’s, and you act like I’m telling you to vote for Kamala, when she’s on the ticket and there would be no sense in writing Kamala in when she’s already on the ticket, the conversation is not following a rational line of discussion.
What about all of the AOC/Trump voters? People are really fucking stupid here.
I have no idea what you’re on about vis a vis voted for Trump believing he’d be better for Palestine. A minority people refused to vote Kamala because of her open support of genocide, but that doesn’t mean they voted for Trump.
In either case, why is it their fault and not the fault of the democratic establishment exactly? Shouldn’t your ire be for establishment democrats who refused to stop supporting a genocide? They could’ve done that, you know. This might blow your fucking mind but democrats can actually do stuff. No one was holding Kamala secretly at gun point and forcing her to support genocide. She refused to stop and instead parroted the usual talking points of Israel’s “right to defend itself.” Shouldn’t that be the subject of your anger and frustration? Shouldn’t you be furious at the democratic establishment becoming more and more conservative as time goes on? Shouldn’t you be outraged at the way democrats persecute the progressive elements within their own political party? Instead of angry at the handful of people who tried to make their voices heard on the subject of literally funding and arming genociders?
Like what the fuck do you think political change within the democratic party looks like? Do you think that defending the establishment from anything and everything is how you get them to change? As each successive administration comes and goes the democrats have moved further and further to the right. They are well into conservative territory ideologically, and that should be immediately obvious to anyone paying attention. Gavin Newsom outright supported wild transphobia like forcing trans women into men’s prisons just last week. And he’s not the only one who’s done this. The democratic party is not a party of progressives. They only support minorities until they feel it inconveniences them in any way.
Deep down the blue conservatives understand that the democrats cannot change because that would upset the donors for their billion dollar campaigns.
Please point out in my comment where I said there cote would have flipped the election results, also please note you and others stated alot as evidence for these can be found that the majority just did not vote in protest because of this issue. But I won’t accept that there is zero that actually did vote for Trump for this issue that is mathematically improbable.
People write of the non-voters or the ones (I will accept that these are very small amount) as a non-issue to focus on. But for me even understanding all facets of why they did what they did in light of how it’s currently panning out is to me a better understanding to find out what really went/going on in relation to people and this issue within their decision making particularly because there was a chance it could have been remotely better then what is occurring right now.
I’m not saying that not even a single person voted for Trump, mistakenly believing his human rights policies to be better. I am saying that is an extreme outlier. The majority of those refusing to vote for Kamala Harris in relation to the ongoing Palestinian genocide were Palestinians.
Just reading the last paragraph really shows how separated you are from the concept of genocide. The amount of death and destruction wrought while Biden was president is unlike anything that had happened there before the Nakba. The equivalent of several nuclear bombs. The total devastation of their entire culture. They pleaded with the Biden administration for a full year. They protested around the world. Biden and Harris did nothing. Harris indicated she was going to continue the Biden admin’s policy agenda with Israel. You were asking them to vote for people who openly said they’d arm and fund a regime that is decimating their communities, murdering their families, raping their people, and destroying their homeland. This ALL happened under Biden, and Harris openly refused to commit to changing that.
Versus the current situation. I still stand firm in my belief that there was a better chance to have had a better outcome for Palestine under the alternative administration then the current one who deports people for speaking out against it.
I am not separated by anything that is occurring in Palestine or the lack of humanity surrounding the issue, it’s a tragedy and one that is likely to repeat if we don’t understand what went wrong with people and how they interpreted not only the parties but the whole situation leading up to the election. One campaign was very authoritarian in their messaging and the other simply said no. Under which administration do you think there would have been a better chance to have had applied more pressure and possibly create a change in their stance towards this issue?
Biden sat back and did nothing for over a year while Israel committed genocide. He didn’t have to do that. Why do you talk like he had no choice? Why do you talk like Kamala had no choice? Why are you occupying your time and your anger directing it at Palestinians who wouldn’t vote for somebody funding and arming a state that is massacring them, tearing down their communities and literally raping them?
Would you vote for someone destroying your community? Would you vote for someone committing genocide against your people? Would you have the jews of France in the 30s vote for a party that gave the Nazis guns and money?
This is what I’m saying by you are entirely separated from it. You only see the genocide as a political event that you can interpret to provide material and ideological support to the democratic party. You’re entirely blind to the reality that it was a global series of events supported, protected, enabled, and perpetrated by the United States government under Joe Biden.
It’s over, Harris fucking lost. The democratic party has failed. It’s done. You can’t take it back. You are now presented with what to do now. You have chosen to spend your time lecturing Palestinians on why they should vote for the party paying the state that’s murdering and raping them. Instead of holding democrats accountable for their crimes. Instead of demanding a party that stands firm on human rights and refuses to partake in any genocide anywhere. Instead of demanding change, you are here bitching about Palestinians who won’t provide political votes to a party that engaged in over a year of open support for and defense of Palestinian genocide.
You are entirely separated from it. It’s just something that happened somewhere else to someone else. It’s just an inconvenience to you that it exists at all. It’s biggest impact on your life was how many votes your political party got. You’re entirely blind and ignorant towards the millions of people who’s lives were destroyed beyond recognition by Israel. No, your main focus is on the few people who wouldn’t vote for your political party on account of that party’s support and endorsement of genocide.
Yes, because I stand firm in my belief that there was a better chance to have had a better outcome under a Democratic administration after applying more pressure then the current fascist one. Thank you for your time but it appears you are just going around in circles at this point with your view.
6 months up to the election there were posts on Lemmy every single day with people saying they were going to protest vote for Trump because of Gaza.
This may surprise you but Lemmy isn’t the whole world. Even excluding the many users who arent American, the users who are do not number such a large percentage as to influence the outcome of an election.
Never said it did. Never even said they were American. You’re original comment made it seem like people like this didn’t exist at all.
The strawmen keep getting bigger and bigger in these threads. Pretty soon they will be so big we will be able to host burning man. While I am sure said voters do exist, they were not the millions of votes that the democrats needed.
It would be incredible if democrats got rid of First-past-the-post boring in the blue states they control so people could be free to vote outside the two party system with no spoiler effect. But capitalists hate competition.
As we can see by democratic inaction on reforming the voting system at the state level, democrats want to continue the hostage situation they present in every election. This is not democracy. Forcing people to vote for your preference will never be democracy. Thus the voting system flaws must be treated like the crisis that it is.
We must be pushing for electoral reform in every state, but why is it so difficult to get the supposed democracy advocates in the democratic party to start moving towards making these critical reforms happen in states they control?
Feel free to make excuses for the democrats. Feel free to attack me all you want. State level rlectoral reform will continue to be the nonviolent way out of this mess. I hope yall come around, even if it probably is to late.
Electoral Reform Videos
First Past The Post voting (What most states use now)
Videos on alternative electoral systems
You falsely assume that I even considered these people having the overall numbers to even flip the election results, my comment is based on seeing how they feel about their decision now considering they were quite vocal about not voting for Kamala because she was a warhawk and therefore voted for a supposed “better”.
The rest of your point has nothing to do with the article nor my point. So please ensure keep to the topic on hand.
I too would like to come across one in the wild, because despite people constantly bitching about them, I’ve yet to see evidence that they exist
Please see the below excerpt from reddit:
“# CMV: Leftist Single Issue Voters are a massive problem for Democrats.
For context, I am a leftist, by American standards at least, and have seriously considered not voting in the upcoming election because of the Anti-Palestine stance taken by the Democrats. That said, I have realized how harmful of an idea that is for the future of our country and for progressive politics in general. The core issue with Single Issue Voters is that they will almost always either vote Republican or not vote at all, both of which hurt Democrats“
Also link to an article that shows there was in the very least uncommitted voters because of this. Yes, I will admit it does not mean they actually voted for Trump but their inaction caused the same result even if they did vote for Trump.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/nov/18/uncommitted-campaign-democrats-gaza-election
So let allow me to correct my initial statement here for you, I would like to meet to talk to those who withheld their vote because they thought to make a statement about the genocide in Gaza in the light of the current Authoritarian administration.
They are in this threadIll retract that, not in this thread, but they do exist.
Link?
Not in this thread, i do apologize.
I would love to meet the people that thought they could use even worse genocide to excuse their own genocide.
The only real difference is Harris would have voiced disapproval rather than approval. Netanyahu seems pretty adamant about following this course. I doubt any conservative president would be able to stop it.
“yOu ShoULd hAve vOTeD FOr OuR BabY kiLLeR tO SToP ThE otHeR BabY kiLLeR!”
it’s about hurting the right people. whomever you need to hurt to push your agenda through, that’s who needs a whoopin’, but once that’s been accomplished, you can go back to hurting the people you really want to hurt. that’s “Freedom”, American Style
I, too would like to meet Sasquatch one day. /j
I like how the people that a year ago were telling you to shut up about Palestine because it was hurting Biden are now trying to guilt trip you about Palestine
Haven’t seen that once.
You weren’t paying enough attention then
Still don’t get it, what has a rollingstone about pelosi article to do with the strawman you build?
Democrats were more then happy to demonize people who supported Palestine.
In fact, they were happily denying the genocide and telling everyone to shut up about it
That’s very different from your original claim
“shes not good,”" i dont like her" or she dint make useful arguments in her campaign"-trump voters codewords for sexist reason they dint vote for her.
Internet though guy over here, lol.
I love when people try to make some type of comparison between one fascist foreign policy party and another like one is better.
This is American foreign policy. It is bipartisan. The only difference between Biden and Trump on Israel is the aesthetics.
There is absolutely no reason to guilt anyone for not voting for the administration that was currently supporting a genocide or one that voted for the one that would support one in the future. US foreign policy is bipartisan. The US was always going to abandon Ukraine and it will always support Israel. If you think that one would be different then you haven’t read any history on US foreign policy.
The fact you even thought to call both policies fascist is incredible to me.
One side at least attempted to apply pressure. Was it enough and more should have been done I will not argue with that. But no way in shape or form is the current option better when there was better chance of something happening under the other option given enough pressure.
Plenty of reason to understand these people better so that messaging can be refined for the future, if they choose to feel guilt over their action or inaction because of this then good. Because look at whats happening and if this was their sole reason for withholding or voting another way then yeah I say they need to feel guilt so they can learn themselves how to better use their power to create change.
Uh…I’m sorry to tell you, but republicans and Trump won. Everything that is happening right now is happening under republican rule. Sitting in your own piss abd blaming others don’t work anymore!
Do you realize that Gaza has been completely flattened under Kamala Harris? Agent Orange is now bombing the ruins of Genocide Joe. Kamala would be doing the exact same thing as Donald Trump.
Kamala would be doing the exact same thing as Donald Trump.
Correction: she would let Israel do as it pleases without officially cheering them on.
Liberals will jump up and down at handwringing genocide versus full blown genocide due to this weird utilitarianism they’re clinging to as their empire crumbles.
Biden’s constituents wanted an end to the genocide in Gaza. Biden ignored these constituents. Biden lost. That is how democracy works, and this outcome was more American than apple pie.
Screw the liberals who say that withholding votes to pressure politicians (the entire point of a democracy) is somehow fascist.
Big difference!!! We don’t need to hear what they gonna do, it’s easier to ignore when they told us nothing!
Yes, the vice president controls the military. For sure, the military of another country. The tie vote for the senate, yeah ok.
Where was the Palestinian on stage at the DNC?
Huh. Didn’t realize Harris got elected. Someone should tell orangeboi.
Seriously dude: your first sentence is fully nonsense.
When was that “under Kamala”? Is it in this room with us right now?
Kamala would be doing the exact same thing as Donald Trump.
Uh huh… She would be talking about building a golf course over the ruins of Gaza? You sure about that?
Is building a golf course your red line, not genocide?
Donald Trump says a lot of things. What he did was get them two months of relative peace. That would not have happened under Kamala, there would be no intermission to “resume” bombing from, there would just still be bombing. If Kamala wanted those voters then she should have broke from Biden’s support of Israel, which she did not do and is not how you get a ceasefire done with Israel. No, what she said is that we would have the “most lethal military” in the face of Palestinians her campaign blocked from speaking at the DNC. Biden said he had red lines, but never did anything when Israel crossed them.
That is how democracy works, you have to earn votes. “Vote for me or else” is not a fucking popular platform for what should be very obvious reasons.
Is it really more important to you to attack these voters and hold back the discourse, over 4 months after the election, as your government is breaking every rule in the book and your party is playing right along with it? The election result is not going to change no matter how many people you throw under the bus for it. These are the cards you were dealt, it’s time to move on and play spades.
Biden was pressuring Israel to act but also to do so with civilians in mind and to allow humanitarian efforts or risk getting cut off from military aid. Also the line that Kamala most probably would have towed as well. This is for those familiar with global politics is expected between long standing allies ( something Trump is currently failing at every stage currently). Meanwhile Orange Musolini has basically said “Have at it, also that spot there would be great for a hotel”. So I fail to see how you could even compare the two. But sure I guess if you happened to fail to grasp the nuance in global politics.
Unless you happened to have another point to make that is more substantive then “bOth PaRtIeS”.
No, they didn’t apply any genuine pressure, just empty rhetoric while continuing to provide billions worth of weapons unconditionally while Netanyahu ignored every “red line” with zero consequences. Biden is a self-proclamed Zionist, he had no issue with the genocide. All the empty rhetoric was just theater
The rhetoric coming out of the White House, when it has been focused on peace or restraint, rather than continuous war, has been undercut at every turn by its actions. The constant supply of weapons — $17.9 billion of bullets, bombs, shells, and other military aid in the past year — has allowed Israel to keep waging its war on Gaza, and in recent weeks, expand that war to Lebanon and threaten to escalate its conflict with Iran. Despite documentation of U.S. weapons being used in probable war crimes, and credible allegations that Israel is committing genocide in its war on Gaza, the bombs have continued to flow.
Year of Empty Rhetoric From the White House on Israel’s Wars
Did Biden deport anyone protesting this? If the answer is no then historically speaking protests while being allowed have always been a way to apply pressure for change. I won’t argue that they definitely could have done alot more but I won’t accept that both parties are same when at least one of them would have still allowed a way to potentially have changed their stance when the other just deports them because they are fascists.
No deportations of protesters under Biden, only the regular kind, but he was also implementing Project Esther
Reduce the influence of parties by passing state level electoral reform. Replace of First-past-the-post voting, use a voting system that let’s voters transfer their vote if their first pick didn’t win. Give 3rd parties the opportunity to participate without a spoiler effect.
You do support democracy right?
May I ask what you wrote has to do with anything about the article or what I wrote?
Biden was pressuring Israel to act
idiot
Holy shit do you have a camera that takes photos of alternate timelines?
Were you not here for the last year of Biden’s presidency or something?
Selling lgbt people, ethnic minorities, immigrants, poor people dependent on social programs only to gain… nothing. What a deal…
First they came for the Palestinians. And you did not speak out because you are not a Palestinian.
No, we did speak up. We just also understand basic causality.
I was gonna say “there’s tons of em on .ml” but one of em was nice enough to prove it right in this thread
One of them made this post.
Yeah, I am happy to try and go back and forth with the odd stray here. Not sure what those other heavily moderated conservative instances are like but if they are like the askconservative subreddit where I had to avoid using triggering words such as Trans because they would go all snow flakey on me then I suspect they might be the same even here.
Edit: I will add that was from a party of free speech, where they could not even distinguish why trying to discuss Trans rights and them censoring it because it triggered them was completely different when left leaning politics was trying to censor racist/nazi/misogynistic talking points because the latter usually resulted in an increase in violent crimes or in the very least condoned it.
Most of Palestinians are under the age of 18. Basically telling a bunch of kids he’s going to kill them.
This is a fact I try to bring up often… It’s a truly disturbing piece of information
Also, they’re struggling to survive without enough supplies, they’re being cut off from the Internet and power in part so they can’t get their message to the world, and they couldn’t kick out Hamas if they wanted to - they have no organization or individual power to actually do that
So it’s worth considering…who is this message for?
who is this message for?
Everyone watching from the outside. It’s an attempt to convince us that Israel is being fair and giving non-conbatants a fair way out, and that anyone caught in the crossfire from this point forward chose to stay.
Yup.
“return the hostages and kick out Hamas, and new options will open for you–including relocation to other parts of the world for those who choose. The alternative is destruction and total devastation.”
So the choice is either ethnic cleansing with some genocide or ethnic cleansing with total genocide. This is completely unacceptable, yet there are those who argue that we must accept it and merely choose “the lesser of two evils” with the reason being that it could be worse. However, this only emboldens the evil and they will continue driving to make things worse and worse anyway.
So… Do something about it
Yeah actually, that’s genocide.
don’t forget about peace day 1 you guys.
Is that what he said? How many lies are we up to now?
Take his age. Multiply it by 365. That’s how many days he’s been lying.
Sound formula
If Israel and Russia can get away with it, then too the USA, and this is the ultimate goal: taking back the world to the days of “territorial conquests”.
The IAF blew up 400 men, women and children and today Netanyahu said, “this is only the beginning.”
You can get deported from the US now for pointing that out.
Israel killing civilians at random probably isn’t going to help bring the average Palestinian to their side against Hamas. If they were being nice to the civilians they might actually be willing to help you.
This might come as a surprise but Israel wants to kill all Palestinians and steal their land. Not “beat Hamas”.
This is exactly the sentiment. In no reality would they stop once these objectives are met.
If only Hitler would’ve killed less civilians maybe the invaded countries would’ve been willing to help him with those awful resistance fighters.
He was given a trolley problem. Well, it was more of a train problem. Well, I don’t remember where the bottle neck was. But the guy couldn’t get the Jews fast enough to satisfy his evil ambition.
The jews were but a side quest
The jews were very much a main quest.
Alongside the slavs, romani, gays, etc
you are completely wrong.
Their one target and enemy was communists.
Well they would have probably assassinated fewer SS offices. Also some people did collaborate with them. Also, Hitler would probably not be viewed as negatively as he is if they didn’t do all those things.
a substantial part of the people collaborated with them.
Minimised, whitewashed, swept under the tableThey did. Others were pretty hostile towards people for doing so. I expect people would have been even more willing to collaborate and less hostile to those that did if they, well, weren’t nazis.
Well at least we know Trump will handle this much more ethically than that genocide-supporting demon Harris!
I really don’t know, but what was it that convinced you that Harris would stop any of this? I didn’t get any inkling from her campaign that she’d do anything about the genocide, maybe I missed something
She would have done nothing different than Biden, so nothing would have changed in Israel’s mass genocide.
Pretty sure she wouldn’t be deporting people, slashing programs, banning “wokeness” etc, and I know she wouldn’t have appointed a bunch of unqualified toadies to head federal departments.
I’m asking if she ever said anything that makes you think she’d handle Palestine different
I really don’t know what Harris would do about Palestine, I’m just pointing out that it’s not the only issue there is, and that I know she wouldn’t be doing the terrible shit MAGA is doing. It’s foolish to only think of one issue.
Your original comment was you sarcastically saying that clearly Harris would be better on this issue, I’m just asking what led you to that conclusion?
I believe she’s a far more compassionate and intelligent human being than Bonespurs, who would do better at anything.
Too early to tell. Trump says a lot of shit, let’s focus on what he does instead.
The only times when he doesn’t lie is when he says he’s gonna do smth awful tho.
Well, he said he was going to be the worst president the country had ever had, and he’s delivering on that.
So when does the main trial start?
As soon as Israel stops being coddled by the US and Europe.
Israel has gone full circle or is it half circle?, anyway they are the bad guys now. To much killing of innocent lives.
This is hardly new, they’ve been the “bad guys” for decades. They’re just masks off these days. Raw-doggin a genocide. Or whatever the fucking kids say these days.
Their foundation is only on the back of a decades long civilian terror campaign, mosques, hotels schools private residences, hired murders so on and so forth.
They were always the bad guys
https://imeu.org/article/the-nakba-and-palestine-refugees-imeu-questions-and-answers
