Twitch Updated their Sexual Content Policy:
- Changes: Certain content now allowed with labels
- Artistic Nudity: Permitted under Sexual Themes Label
- Game Nudity: Contextual; labels necessary
- Body Painting: Acceptable with appropriate label
- Mature Games: Label generally covers content
- Stream Visibility: Impacted by content labels
- Twerking, grinding and pole dancing are now allowed without a label.
Just become a soft-core porn site at this point, Twitch.
🤔 In away they did that already with the new rules.
It’s hard to do that officially when a big chunk of users are minors. Neither Twitch nor the streamers of this content want to admit that they make money serving softcore porn to kids. Cause that’d be weird.
That’s right. Doing it is one thing but admitting what you’re doing? Too far
Tbh, the entire internet is full of softcore porn and has been for decades where kids can see it.
OnlyFans-Lite
Only(noctua)Fans
That’d be far higher quality than twitch is capable of.
Now that’s worth a subscription
I love this. Gaming and porn at the same place. It’s honestly really nice
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Hate to tell you, but your dad was playing Strip Poker on the C64.
Leasure suit Larry, he had to trial and error the questions to prove your over 18 because he didn’t know enough about taxes
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They have for a long time already. Look at any video game ad from the 90s
Amazon doing their own OnlyFans for minors. Who woulda thunk it.
I remember being a minor before twitch. Watching porn on the internet wasn’t the task you’d think it was without twitch.
at least those sites tell you to not enter if you’re under 18
Damn well if the site says so
Read the article before commenting
So do channels. Idiot.
As if that matter though.
Will some streamers link their OnlyFans on Twitch with the help of third party apps, like Linktree. So they’re half way there.
This way Amazon doesn’t lose the user to OF or anywhere else clicking off to another site.
I’m fine with that, provided they lock it behind a separate paid tier payable only via credit card. That’s the best age gate imo because you have to be 18+ to get a credit card and parents should be tracking their statements anyway.
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Porn is artistic nudity.
That’s the Infinite growth model for you.
If it grows infinitely, contact your doctor instantly!
And also if you manage to do that, you should contact the Clay Mathematics Institute as well, you’re likely eligible for a free $1 Million.
I’d argue that it can be, but often times isn’t.
I watch it for the plot.
That’s why it’s legal, it became a first amendment issue.
People in this thread really pretending they have kids in order to get upset about implied nudity. It does not get more american does it? Some chick showing lots of boobie sure seems to be the same like a girl getting banged by big dick to many here.
Also if you actually think that some nudity will wreck your kid but watching gta does not i am not sure why anyone bothers arguing with you.
Manipulative, interactive sex workers are not the same as “nudity”.
It’s funny to be when the moral compass types let their misogyny show so clearly. Like you’re not going to even try to hide that while trying to claim the moral high ground?
Yes there are bad sexy streamers there are also good sexy streamers, but you can’t even imagine that a sexy girl could also be intelligent, funny, and entertaining. Compared to the dudebro react streamers and souless gameplay streams you normally have to wade through they’re a much higher class of entertainment, at least they’re making their own content and showing some personality.
They are tho.
Nuh uh
Ah hah
It’s just 4 comments in here that are complaining. It’s not a lot. I think you’re overreacting
A limply worded comment is overreacting? Id hate to see you act
E: its funny I got downvoted now that half the thread is about exactly this, leaving the weakly worded comment completely accurate
I know of families who walk naked around the house. No kids under 10 were harmed by this. Nudity is natural. Reacting to it in an unhealthy manner is not.
Nudity is not strictly porn, but not all nudity is strictly harmless. Platforms like these are for clickbait and attention whoring, and there’s no better way to get attention on the internet than sexual content (especially on a website mainly used by kids/teens).
And it’s basically universally accepted that porn is harmful to children. We all watched some of it when we were young, but most people had circumstances that limited their exposure or access to it. A modern mainstream addiction machine like Twitch serving softcore porn to children under the guise of “artistic nudity” is going to fuck people up. That’s not even mentioning the “cam whore” aspect to it, which does frequently fuck up the lives of fully grown adults.
What sites are parents supposed to allow their kids to access if rules like this start slipping in? Short of invasive AI scanning, it’s not possible to monitor every single thing your child watches on a site at all times.
I am always so interested by these types of comments. Lots of words, no substance. HOW will this cause harm? Is it the nudity? Is it the platform specifically? Is Twitch now more harmfully addicting due to there now being nudity? Was access to Twitch not harmful, or was harmful, before? In excess? In moderation?
Give us something if you’re going to be throwing verbal hands. I neither agree nor disagree with this decision by Twitch, mostly because I honestly dgaf and strongly feel parents have a responsibility to learn how to limit access if it is needed. Having worked with parents a LOT, many of them are happy to shove responsibility for their children onto others, while simultaneously making outrageous demands and incredible accusations. I don’t see why this situation should be any different.
i think the problem a lot of people (myself included) have specifically with nudity on twitch is with the streamers whose streams are basically just porn. now there’s nothing inherently wrong with porn, nudity, or sex work on the internet or in real life, but the issue comes in when you put people who are essentially sex workers on the same video game streaming site many young people visit for non-sexual content. now porn is available and popular on their favorite game streaming site, and it is being forcibly recommended to users who have never browsed that category of content on twitch before.
pretty much all i watch on twitch is super mario 64 speedruns, but 9/10 times when i log in my first recommended channel is a streamer with their tits out doing jumping jacks in a hot tub or something. i can only imagine this is happening to a large percentage of other users as well, including younger users who could be easily manipulated by an attractive and interactive woman online heavily incentivizing them to donate money.
it basically boils down to: i don’t care that porn is on the site, but it should not be recommended to people who are not already browsing that content as that is not what i’m there to see.
edit - re-reading the changes, i’m hoping that the stream visibility and content label changes would fix this issue.
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Unfiltered visibility of things is usually my problem and concern for my kids on video platforms.
Thanks for the measured response! I can agree with this. There is inherently nothing wrong with nudity or sex in general. In fact a healthy relationship with nudity and sex likely supports good development. I don’t need to go much further to support this argument than to point out the myriads of people damaged from strict religious upbringings. That said, it does need to be filtered and enforced properly. Buried even where it had to be actually found, or specific settings activated that are otherwise automatically turned off.
I think if these and/or similar steps were done many of us wouldn’t be bothered.
Yeah that poster comes off as brainwashed by the puritanical side of the usa. There’s nothing inherently damaging about seeing a naked body.
Wow it’s almost like you didn’t read the comment at all they literally said in the first sentence not all nudity is porn lmao.
As far as damages from PORNOGRAPHY, which is what they said, yeah. It can be pretty damaging.
Well, I have a headache now. I had forgotten how poorly written some of these published papers tend to be. Anyway, sorta long summary after skimming a few of the studies and that meta-analysis:
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The meta-analysis worked through data obtained in a range from 1967 to 1995. It found that the consumption of “explicit pornographic material” appears to create a mostly consistent change in the behavior of adolescents and measured in four categories. I’m on mobile so I won’t go back and grab those categories, though the participants are mostly balanced between them. It should be noted that this analysis is trying to push a hard need for practical findings in our modern day despite only taking information from the range provided. Moreover, there is an air of bias regarding the findings.
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Other studies have concluded, in general, that while we believe there is an increased risk of early sexual development and even deviance, it has been difficult to replicate these consistently.
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Most studies conclude that modern consumption of media by teenagers may or may not increase the risk of deviancy many of us would consider stereotypical risks that teenagers take.
Basically, science is struggling a bit to show a positive correlation. They think there might be something there, though looking at research into other types of media you’ll find similar findings.
Not to mention that the metric of ‘sexual deviance’ is ill-defined and multi-variate. If sexual deviance is of a sexual health and safety orientation, then the obvious confounding factor is the historical use of abstinence-only education in this cohort (from 67-95). If the definition is speaking towards sexual violence and improper consent, then I think the conversation should include how healthy and consenting behaviors are being properly depicted outside of pornography as well as within, because simply not ever being exposed to sexual depictions doesn’t address the origins of anti-social attitudes toward the opposite gender and sexual frustrations of involuntarily celibate men. Domestic violence exists even outside a sexual context.
Not addressing those issues is how you end up with senile men like Dennis Prager who believe rape is morally permissible inside a heterosexual marriage.
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I’m struggling to understand how the claim ‘pornography causes sexual deviance’ is different from ‘violent films and video games cause violent tendencies’
What universe do you live in where thats accepted knowledge? Cause its not the real one, thats a pretty frequently debated topic.
Here’s a study showing the opposite, and linking to many others as well.
In other words, it’s far from ‘universally accepted’
From your own link:
However, pornography use was associated with increases in both self-esteem and symptoms of depression and anxiety, albeit only among adolescent women in one of the two panels. In addition, low subjective well-being was associated with a subsequent increase in pornography use, but only in female adolescents in one panel. This study’s results are not consistent with concerns about pornography use negatively contributing to male adolescents’ psychological well-being, but suggest potential antagonistic links between pornography use and specific facets of mental well-being in adolescent women. Such links should be considered tentative until verified with further research.
Seems that your own study you posted acknowledges that porn with adolescents, mainly with adolescent males, is generally accepted and understood with their negative links.
Yes, I tried to link a reasonably balanced view of the issue. It’d be nice if you didn’t cherry pick statements. The point being, different studies have shown different results, and there’s no concrete conclusion to date. Hence your statement about ‘universal acceptance’ is extremely debatable.
The last sentence of your quote literally says that there is no actual conclusive data from this, and any links need further study to be considered real and actionable.
You didnt even cherry pick this correctly
Peas to apples, that study only involves adolescents, and it doesn’t clearly illustrate or partition according to the age groups. It also seems to merely itself to the self-assessment of those polled and particular concerns about body image and inadequacy.
I would like to learn more on a sentence you casually dropped
it’s basically universally accepted that porn is harmful to children
It would be interesting to read some studies and what is the definition of “children”.
In other word I think that assertion is undebatable for a 6 year old… but what about a 14yo? And a 17yo?
That’s why I don’t monitor it. If I don’t trust my kids on a site, I ban it so they get no access to it whatsoever. If I trust them, I don’t have any restrictions on the content they can access on it.
For example, I trust Netflix’s kids mode, but my kids can easily switch to my profile and see stuff they shouldn’t. I trust them to only watch on their profile, and if they violate that, they lose access to Netflix entirely. Adult content doesn’t appear on their home page, and it doesn’t even appear on my home page (as in, the trailers usually don’t have the intense parts).
I feel like if I restrict it, they’ll be more curious about what they’re missing, whereas teaching them to avoid stuff in their own teaches discipline and builds trust
it’s basically universally accepted that porn is harmful to children.
Source, please?
Here’s a study showing the opposite, and linking to many others as well.
In other words, it’s far from ‘universally accepted’
Again, from your own link:
However, pornography use was associated with increases in both self-esteem and symptoms of depression and anxiety, albeit only among adolescent women in one of the two panels. In addition, low subjective well-being was associated with a subsequent increase in pornography use, but only in female adolescents in one panel. This study’s results are not consistent with concerns about pornography use negatively contributing to male adolescents’ psychological well-being, but suggest potential antagonistic links between pornography use and specific facets of mental well-being in adolescent women. Such links should be considered tentative until verified with further research.
Yes, I tried to link a reasonably balanced view of the issue. It’d be nice if you didn’t cherry pick statements. The point being, different studies have shown different results, and there’s no concrete conclusion to date. Hence your statement about ‘universal acceptance’ is extremely debatable.
This study’s results are not consistent with concerns about pornography use negatively contributing to male adolescents’ psychological well-being
What do you think this means?
WON’T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!
Every single time, anything and everything…
You must realise no one buys it, right? Like you know everyone sees straight through your pearl clutching?
Are you implying those streams are not gonna be overrun with incels sending hundreds of dollars in donations to get sent some nail clippings?
Man you need to hang out someplace that isnt 4chan
It’s hilarious to me seeing comments like this because in your head there’s no room for doubt, you know exactly what these streams will be like and can firmly declare that in public - it doesn’t even come into you mind at all to consider they’re popular things which mean a lot of people will have done something you haven’t and actually watched them.
You might as well tell people they are not good parents if they allow their children the moral ambiguity of playing cowboys and indians and watching pirate of the Caribbeans with that sort of level of logic. Sometimes the biggest caricatures are those accusing other people of being it. Sorry for offending your sensibilities for thinking there should be enough distinction as to keep children away from prostitution. Is clicking on a different url for the same thing really that hard for you?
If you think this is protistution your comment sure might make sense. Have fun.
Thank fucking god the rest of the world isn’t as deluded as the people in this thread: https://techcrunch.com/2023/12/15/twitch-rolls-back-artistic-nudity-sexual-content-policy-ai-nudes/
It’s funny how much your interests align with those of pedos, just because you can’t click on another f-ing link for content and stream hosts that already exist for porn.
Not sure why you bring that topic. People injecting this topic everywere unbidden are a little bit concerning to me and should do some soul searching.
You, meanwhile, will be forever completely immune to it, it seems. Thank fucking christ there were people with fucking brains and who are actually virtuous instead of just virtue signalling to get the decision pulled back.
Can somebody please just link the boobs
She was actually fully clothed!
If you want to see her porn: https://www.pornhub.com/gif/36941951
Nice
🤣
The only thing that really bothers me is that the porn get shoved on the front page.
I wanna open Twitch on my living room TV to watch SC2 and tiveux something is painting her tits on my screen already.
From what I understand, this change will disallow any stream with these tags showing up on the front page. Though, I believe this will still be at the top of the “just chatting” category, so really it’s the same problem.
This for me is the main issue
Just stop watching shit twitch streams like a 10yo
peak reading comprehension
What is there to comprehend? Linkerbaan said they want to watch Twitch but without feeling awkward seeing a bunch of titty girls on their living room TV. Dkarma’s solution is to advise them to stop watching Twitch. It’s not my advice, but the A to B logic is sound.
“shit twitch streams” means they think there are good streams.
The advice isnt abandon twitch. They think the only way boobi streams are on the home page is if the algorithm thinks you watch them.
Which isnt how it works, as streams tagged as boobi wont appear unsearched on the front page according to twitch, algorithm or no algorithm.
They said twitch streams which implies a specific sense, not Twitch in a general sense
Just stop
watching shitusing twitchstreams like a 10yobecause it’s trash software and always has been.FTFY
Nice cool where do I find footage of my competitive game? YouTube?
Yep! Youtube is a great resource for finding footage of competitive games!
Oh great I’ll just switch to the other monopoly, that fixes this! (It doesn’t)
It works fine for me, but I mostly watch one streamer who only streams on Twitch. My ad blocker blocks their stupid ads on stuff I periodically check out that I’m not subbed to (e.g. MP events hosted by someone else), so it’s generally a good experience.
However, the front page is absolute cancer, and it’s why I don’t watch many other streams. I just want my steamer and related content, and a few random favorited streamers from other games I very occasionally watch. I feel a little bad about the ad blocker, but that’s because there’s no in-between AFAIK where I can sub to 1-2 channels and still get no ads on the very rare occasions I’ll watch something else (less than once/month).
What ad blocker?
uBlock Origin on Firefox.
I have ublock, out of the box it does not impact twitch ads in any way.
Do you have special add ons or filters?
I think just EasyList, not sure, it has been a long time since I set it up. Here’s my config though:
My custom rules are pretty barebones, but here’s that as well (I’m pretty sure neither is related to Twitch):
Let me know if there’s a better way for me to help.
I do this with 1 streamer, too. I sub with prime though.
Ive seen the odd stream of a related streamer but normally just catch vods on youtube for anyone related.
Who is your one streamer out of interest?
Mines paymoneywubby.
Ayyy. I very occasionally watch the live stream I usually just catch him on paymoneywubby stream archive on YouTube.
Wubby7
FlorryWorry.
He mostly plays Europa Universalis IV and is incredibly creative and entertaining with his runs. He is also the reigning champ for the Paradox tournaments (undefeated), yet he is still very humble about it. I’m in the US, so I mostly watch his VODs, but I’ll occasionally join live if he’s doing a charity event or something.
I’ll occasionally watch BudgetMonk (another EU4 streamer), or watch some MtG or Eternal (haven’t watched either for a couple years). But 99% of the it’s FlorryWorry or a live event w/ him on another channel (Paradox tournaments are on YouTube, so it’s infrequent).
It’s a great platform, the world let’s you watch whatever trash you love so let other people enjoy what they love
Stop watch porn like 10yo and go find a wife!
Yeah just tie down a poor girl and entangle your finances and entire futures just so you can get off, what can go wrong
Only people over eighteen can see porn online.
Also porn is much cheaper than a wife.
Twitch in 2 weeks : video games? Where?
I mean hot tub streams already exist.
Twitch hasn’t been a “games only” site in a long time.
Didn’t they ban them?
I’m actually not sure, I thought they might have moved them to a different NSFW category than “Just Chatting”. I know a streamer I follow was able to have an onsen stream when travelling in Japan and he didn’t get banned.
They were quarantined to the ‘pools and hot tubs’ category, which presumably modifies what kind of ads run on them.
Yea, sure, Twitch
They were just tired of fielding questions of why the camgirls were exempt from the rules everyone else was following. Now it’s because it’s “artistic”.
Yall know there’s free porn on the internet right?
I think a large part of it is the parasocial aspect. People get to know streamers (or at least, the streamer’s persona) and form attachments to them over time. The same way someone wants to see how their favorite character’s arc plays out in a show, people want to watch streamers because they feel a personal connection to them.
Even though that connection is almost certainly one-sided, (except maybe for smaller streamers who actually interact with all of their viewers on a regular basis,) it doesn’t stop the viewers from forming those emotional connections. And that somehow makes them more “real” than some random piece of ass on pornhub.
I think a lot of it stems from loneliness, and wanting a personal connection. Pornhub is great for porn, but it’s undeniably commercialized porn. Lots of people will likely end up viewing nude twitch streams the same way they’d view nudes from a significant other. Even if the quality isn’t as good as pornhub, it may be considered more desirable simply because the viewers feel like they know the person.
That is what has always boggled my mind about all this softcore stuff, like why are you on twitch with your dick out anyway? If you want to jerk off why not just do it properly lol
People listen to music without dancing, it’s the same thing - it activates pleasurable parts of your brain which trigger various biochemical responces. I normally work with video essays on in the background but when things get complex and stressful I switch to hot people dancing or similar, trying to juggle a dozen variables and get all the code loops right can be mentally taxing so when my brain in churning over my options it can be good to have a nice juicy butt to rest my eyes on, watch sway and pop and grind… It’s not going to interrupt my train of thought but it holds it.
Also something that no one seems to consider possible but there are some really interesting and funny women that enjoy showing off their body, the music is often great and the atmosphere fun and light hearted - the notion that because it’s sexy it can only be low tier, base and worthless is just puritan nonsense, it’s good content.
And no you don’t have to jerk off the second you see a sexy butt, I think that way of thinking might be more puritan baggage. You can just feel good about seeing sexy bodies gyrate.
Cringe.
Five years from now, Amazon launches its first premium-only porn site (and then five years more down the road, it will absorb and replace Twitch)
Considering how similar the audience interactions work, I could see Amazon buying OnlyFans and integrating it into Twitch.
then Apple buys it and rebrands it iFap
Or Elon does and rebrands it XXX.
Vin Diesel sues… with his family
There’s also Internet allow only firewalls specially designed for parents who want to implement some control, which isn’t enough when content on platforms decide to saturate their content with that you don’t want to expose your children to. Then, it just becomes an exponential game of having to keep up and adjust each platform’s individual controls when they could have simply kept their adult content elsewhere and have it be easily accessible to any adult who wants to see it.
If you let your kid on twitch, porn is the least of your problems
That’s a good point, but for any media. The problem is identifying something a child can watch and letting them watch it and because of a spur of the moment oversight find them watching something they shouldn’t be because they are not mature enough yet, and the same but having it devolve to extremes. It’s just not that difficult to set up a different domain/service name for it and making it easier for parents.
No, my point is specifically for twitch and other streaming platforms.
If you let your kid on twitch, and you arent locking them in to a pre vetted list of known safe channels, youre letting them expose themselves to far far worse shit than porn.
In the same way that if you let your kid watch netflix or HBO, you dont open the streaming app, hand them the remote, and walk off. You pick the channels or movies they can choose from.
Other media is typically pre crunched into known safety levels. Twitch is a way to watch things, not a thing you watch.
I consider the risk on those platforms much less, and if they begun hosting hardcore porn I would consider only other platforms. Netflix and HBO implement parental controls and involve fixed runtime content, whereas Twitch involves real-time streams and widely differing types of moderation where streamers may be involved in safe and non-safe content, and it lacks the ease of the parental controls of the services you’ve mentioned.
Why do you consider forcing all that micromanagement to parents easier than just moving porn to another domain or under another brand?
You mean, besides the fact that your kids are your responsibility, and not everyone elses?
Or beyond the fact that netflix has the same level of softcore content, and HBO has far far far worse sexual and non sexual content?
Do I need more reasons beyond those?
Fortunately for most parents, most governments disagree. They realize it’s a society problem. But I really hope that they eventually catch up with this type of bullshit in the Internet industry. I know that Steam and other services have begun to get flak for it, specially in countries like Germany.
Click. On. Another. Fucking. Link/Brand. It’s not that hard.
Thank f-ing god that this thread is nowhere near representative of the real world: https://techcrunch.com/2023/12/15/twitch-rolls-back-artistic-nudity-sexual-content-policy-ai-nudes/
Pretty sure twitch is supposed to only be for all 16 plus anyway right I’m sure that’s somewhere in their terms of service that you can’t have an account of your underage.
So if I paint my cock I’m good, right?
It needs to be visible…
So using the cock as the brush is the way to go, got it
Art nudity. So creating art with your nudity.
Yeah, get that paint out of here!
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Viral topless “meta”??? I haven’t heard about any topless meta. What have I been missing? The article only references a single instance in which a streamer got banned, and that hardly makes a meta. What has the Twitch streamer community response been?
there is a lot of afaik mostly female streamers, where the game content is secondary to them always being dressed and acting sexualized.
Heck, I’d say if they are actually playing a game and streaming it, then that’s legit… but I can tell you that I’ve seen a lot of “stretching” and “exercise” streams where it’s basically just strategic shots of a girl’s arse. As in, that is genuinely the purpose of the stream. There is no actual exercise happening. Some streamers even have “!phub” in their description, suggesting users type that for more info about the streamer… And the ASMR category seems to be a 25-75 split between people actually trying to do ASMR, and people doing a kind of soft-core porn show.
The worst thing is that if you watch one of those streams, for curiosity, or if you were just in the mood for it, Twitch then makes your recommendations look like a porn site for the next couple of months. (I’m not against porn; but I definitely don’t want to be getting porn recommendations when I go to twitch.)
Death to the algorithm
You can watch in a private session and it won’t affect your front page, I do this if I ever want to watch a video containing an idiot like Joe Rogan or something who’ll get me flooded with right wing junk.
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A quarter of the way into the 21st century and we’re still not sure if a website can be profitable if there’s boobs.
This timeline is dumb as hell.
Nah, they are. Problem is banks. Bunch of weird prudes, and they effectively run the world.
Bankers famously HATE boobs.
People looking for that tend to be the ones most likely to throw money at strangers. Oldest profession continues to be the most predictable among its clientele.
Do they plan to rename Twitch to Jerk?
Twitch -> Twerk <- Jerk
TWork, just so you can tell everybody you’re going to twork
man i said this a while ago and its only gotten worse since then
Twitch was good when it was video games only, it really went downhill since Amazon bought it.
“[service] really went downhill since [tech conglomerate] bought it” could be a Mad Lib.
I’ll take “buy out directly leading to enshittification” for 500, Alex
It was never video games only. My first introduction to Justin.tv was the fact that it had 24/7 Seinfeld streams.
It’s fine lol, except they are way too aggressive on ads
You’ve got the history backwards. Twitch is just a spin-off of Justin.tv, rebranded.
Finally Jerma can show nipples and toes on stream
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
he’s already shown one of those things repeatedly
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source; check me out at GitHub.
Glad someone is keeping track o7
