I would exercise caution at this stage until further investigation is conducted
Even if this is a true and accurate report it doesn’t matter. You’re relying on private companies to do investigations when you should have an independent electoral board that runs this shit.
We’re watching the collapse of an empire in real time. Will be a fun few decades I think.
(Edit: also, this article is so loaded with eye rolling commentary - like are we really using tweets from Elon as evidence of election fraud? Jesus Christ it sounds like Dem political conspiracy theories. The entire world just did another collective cringe)
like are we really using tweets from Elon as evidence of election fraud?
He would have 1st account of rigging it. After all, he knows those computers better than anybody, all those computers
Trump says a lot of shit.
I’m more skeptical of this than dumbass repubs were who latched onto a narrative that fit their desires. I actually want a lot of proof. I won’t consider this to be serious until there are multiple corroborations by sources that I recognize and trust. None of them will be the MyPillow crackhead.
Well, votes misaligning beyond statistical possibility in one “category” of counties, with absolutely no statistical anomalies in another “category” of counties is irrefutable proof, mathematically, that something is wrong.
Ex: if specific counties that use a particular tool have a massive mismatch between presidential voting and senate voting, but there is absolutely no spread in similar-politically counties that use different election tools, then the only possible explanation is that the tools affected the results (i.e. “fraud”).
I believe that’s the evidence, from what I understand.
Now, there are people coming forward in large enough groups saying they all voted for a particular candidate in total numbers of people larger than the were total votes recorded t that candidate at that polling station, including reports of 0 votes for Kamela with voters reporting she wasn’t on the ballot for them. So that might give a new “lever” for investigation.
Regardless of election fraud, though, the election results are already certified; at this point, Trump is president, and even definitive proof of fraud won’t change that. What it could change, if the current Republican authoritarian government allows it (lol), is oversight and regulations at future elections.
Or, perhaps, the blatant corruption will lead to states seceding from the union.
American hegemony and global dominance is over, but how it falls apart is yet to be determined.
So did Gore, with physical ballots to prove it.
There was a recording of Trump talking about how certain states voting systems were “on track”. It was pretty obvious he was talking about rigging the electronic voting.
Where did that go now?
The investigation was done by a private content mill, which makes the research a bit questionable given their interests - lots of potential for cherrypicking examples and so on. There aren’t that many states mentioned in the article, but those that are were either blue already, or deeply-entrenched red states that wouldn’t have made a difference at all in the final result even if there was an upset.
Also - would literally anything come out of this? Dems don’t even have the spine to oppose monarchies (not making this shit up, look at the “few notes” section) let alone confront an active, powerful administration in a meaningful way.
I keep seeing headlines and links to substacks regarding this particular theory and while there’s some smoke - I remain unconvinced.
The timing of Leo’s purchase of that company is suspect. Pushing an uncertified update is suspect. The oddities in the numbers are suspect.
But no one has connected the dots in a satisfying way and that no one had pointed to what steps could be taken to verify suspicions. It feels half-baked. I would love to try and believe that more Americans voted for Kamala, but only for a “faith in humanity” kind of way. Proving widespread fraud feels a long way off.
According to New York Times reporting, on October 5—just before Starlink’s DTC activation—Musk texted a confidant:
“I’m feeling more optimistic after tonight. Tomorrow we unleash the anomaly in the matrix.”
Then, an hour later:
“This isn’t something on the chessboard, so they’ll be quite surprised. ‘Lasers’ from space.”
https://thiswillhold.substack.com/p/she-won-they-didnt-just-change-the
What’s missing from this report is that Peter thiel bought the parent company that owns pro v and v. The article mentions musk but nothing about this.
I think by this point, anyone who has the ability to see anomalies in numbers easily isn’t surprised.
The real problem becomes: “now what?”
The only remaining thing I can think of that would peacefully work is a general strike. Make the billionaires suffer as we have.
We ought to leverage it when these wingnuts get something right. MTG and Tucker on war has been all over the front page today. Noted dipshit Mike Lindell just got his ass handed to him in a defamation suit but promises he ‘will not stop talking until we don’t have voting machines in this country.’ I’m OK with this. These machines are bullshit, any software guy will tell you that. XKCD has told us that.
“Even more shocking: Donald Trump received 750,000 more votes than Republican Senate candidates in these districts.” WTF!?!? I recall Krasnov saying he did not need the Pennsylvania votes to win. I’m certain there are people in the NSA, CIA and FBI that know exactly WTF happened.
I wanted her to win so desperately, but these headlines just hurt honestly.
I guess maybe if there was irrefutable evidence that she won it might restore a tiny bit of my faith in humanity.
… but Trump is supreme leader eternal now, and any day now WW3 is going to start. “Who actually won” isn’t very important.
The truth is always important.
Is it though? In a practical sense? I don’t think it’s going to change anyone’s day to day.
Ww3 started when russia invaded ukraine It’s a slow one this time.
I feel this too. War looks so different these days, but with all the bullshit going on with israel too, its hard to argue that we aren’t already in the early stages of a truly global conflict.
Supreme leader eternal? There’s a better than even chance that he strokes out sometime in the next 43 months. He deliberately sabotages anyone who could take his place, so there’s no viable heir to hold MAGA together once he’s gone.
It’s a reference to dictatorships where whatever leader remains so in perpetuity even after death. I can’t remember for sure but I suspect this is the case in DPRK.
It would restore some of my faith that my fellow Americans don’t suck as much as I currently think they do. Y’know, before we all get rounded up to die in camps together.
And nothing will come of it.
So many propagandists in this thread.
Congrats mods and admins, you lost the bot war
Can we leave the conspiracy theories to the crazies? This “Stop the Steal” shit is the domain of MAGA retards.
This line of thinking may be satisfying and grounding, but leaves you vulnerable to actual sabotage and conspiracy when bad actors are at play… and bad actors are at play.
