What does that have to do with the West having their representative governments replaced with autocracies?
In case you are unaware by the way, plenty of people go without here. We have been getting squeezed for 50 years and we are now at the point where a full-time job does not pay for life for a larger number of people.
And I bet if you need to see a doctor you would not be forced to pay 10 times what everybody else in the world pays and a hundred times for a drug.
The victims of the United States government includes United States citizens.
The war on poverty of Linden B Johnson turned into a war against those in poverty. Their own undesirables. A rank that will grow and grow in numbers in time.
To reiterate, I did not originally say anything wrong, and to refer to Eastern governments principally refers to the near East and Middle East. But it also does apply to China.
What does that have to do with the West having their representative governments replaced with autocracies?
Because most of us believe that they are already autocracies; not of divine might or of stereotypical dictator-fashion but of a dictatorship of capital. Where your worth is determined by how much value you can generate for a middleman that controls the means of productions. Where constant warfare is waged against the poor on the basis of race, nation or creed by the ruling capitalist class that puts the majority of the world in abysmal poverty while the West gets to live out it’s façade of elections held together by imperial extraction and exploitation of the global south. I mean an actual façade of electoral districts state-side and local politics completely marred by racial divide, segregation, gerrymandering and religious dogma.
The original constitution of the United States existed to serve and protect landowners, slaveholders and the merchant-class that was the foundation of the republics at the time. Your ability to vote was based on how much land you own, to which moved onto racial strife as a dominating factor as the transition from agrarian to plantation-industrialized economy. There was never the workers, the industrial revolution in mind. The workers are what exists these days and the representative governments of the west have never existed to protect them or their right of speech but their right to exploit and create capital.
The government structure of your imagined “East” no matter how repressive in your imagination, is still a vast improvement over racially stratified free market economies that depend on vast plunder AND exploitation of the global south. That’s really the honest cut of it.
When the Constitution was written if you had land you could vote, it did not matter if it was a million Acres or a half an acre. You each got one vote. Also there really were very few manufacturing workers, like 90% was in agriculture.
Now you want to talk about the failings of the western governments go ahead, I am the first to bring those up. But it would be a whole lot worse with a one-party state. A lot worse. We have different groups of people and deep divisions within our groups and the worst people in the country in charge. At least some of these other large autocracies have a smart person in charge evil and ruthless though they may be. We have evil ruthless and utterly malicious. Nihilistic. We are not starting with Octavian caesar, but with caracalla.
Now if you think Western governments are worse towards their citizens than Eastern ones I would straight up disagree. Due to honest elections we have extracted more from lawmakers than an autocrat who’s only fear would be a bloody Revolution.
When the Constitution was written if you had land you could vote, it did not matter if it was a million Acres or a half an acre. You each got one vote. Also there really were very few manufacturing workers, like 90% was in agriculture.
That was my point.
Now if you think Western governments are worse towards their citizens than Eastern ones I would straight up disagree.
Ah yes, fuck my anecdote and the epidemic of failed urban housing in ghettoes around America. “Fucking stupid liberal commie. You totally are lying about how poor you were.” Everyone in America is rich, right?
I thought you guys were particularly aggressive politically correct libs in the us here when arguing until someone enlightened me.
Yes america is fucked and has been. Npt ever.perfect but was better for a few decades from post war years to the 70s, when the business round table made a long game to cooperatively take away all of the gains of the new deal and labor movement.
Npt ever.perfect but was better for a few decades from post war years to the 70s, when the business round table made a long game to cooperatively take away all of the gains of the new deal and labor movement.
Because of social concessions made to the proletariat in the imperialistic West due to encroaching global revolution. History played out differently.
Yeah that is true. I always preffered huey long myself over roosevelt.
We do not have that fear of workers revolting now that is the problem, only the far right is running as reform with left parties seized by aristocratic conservatives.
Hopefully you guys do not support that, this far right. Doing the world a great disservice if so, and any rationalizations for it will not pan out. Ie accelerationists will not see something better after collapse with our current environment. Seeing the west fall to fascists will see the subjugation of less developed countries to higher degrees, collapses of freedoms and prosperity worldwide, such as they are.
What does that have to do with the West having their representative governments replaced with autocracies?
In case you are unaware by the way, plenty of people go without here. We have been getting squeezed for 50 years and we are now at the point where a full-time job does not pay for life for a larger number of people.
And I bet if you need to see a doctor you would not be forced to pay 10 times what everybody else in the world pays and a hundred times for a drug.
The victims of the United States government includes United States citizens.
The war on poverty of Linden B Johnson turned into a war against those in poverty. Their own undesirables. A rank that will grow and grow in numbers in time.
To reiterate, I did not originally say anything wrong, and to refer to Eastern governments principally refers to the near East and Middle East. But it also does apply to China.
Because most of us believe that they are already autocracies; not of divine might or of stereotypical dictator-fashion but of a dictatorship of capital. Where your worth is determined by how much value you can generate for a middleman that controls the means of productions. Where constant warfare is waged against the poor on the basis of race, nation or creed by the ruling capitalist class that puts the majority of the world in abysmal poverty while the West gets to live out it’s façade of elections held together by imperial extraction and exploitation of the global south. I mean an actual façade of electoral districts state-side and local politics completely marred by racial divide, segregation, gerrymandering and religious dogma.
The original constitution of the United States existed to serve and protect landowners, slaveholders and the merchant-class that was the foundation of the republics at the time. Your ability to vote was based on how much land you own, to which moved onto racial strife as a dominating factor as the transition from agrarian to plantation-industrialized economy. There was never the workers, the industrial revolution in mind. The workers are what exists these days and the representative governments of the west have never existed to protect them or their right of speech but their right to exploit and create capital.
The government structure of your imagined “East” no matter how repressive in your imagination, is still a vast improvement over racially stratified free market economies that depend on vast plunder AND exploitation of the global south. That’s really the honest cut of it.
When the Constitution was written if you had land you could vote, it did not matter if it was a million Acres or a half an acre. You each got one vote. Also there really were very few manufacturing workers, like 90% was in agriculture.
Now you want to talk about the failings of the western governments go ahead, I am the first to bring those up. But it would be a whole lot worse with a one-party state. A lot worse. We have different groups of people and deep divisions within our groups and the worst people in the country in charge. At least some of these other large autocracies have a smart person in charge evil and ruthless though they may be. We have evil ruthless and utterly malicious. Nihilistic. We are not starting with Octavian caesar, but with caracalla.
Now if you think Western governments are worse towards their citizens than Eastern ones I would straight up disagree. Due to honest elections we have extracted more from lawmakers than an autocrat who’s only fear would be a bloody Revolution.
That was my point.
Ah yes, fuck my anecdote and the epidemic of failed urban housing in ghettoes around America. “Fucking stupid liberal commie. You totally are lying about how poor you were.” Everyone in America is rich, right?
I thought you guys were particularly aggressive politically correct libs in the us here when arguing until someone enlightened me.
Yes america is fucked and has been. Npt ever.perfect but was better for a few decades from post war years to the 70s, when the business round table made a long game to cooperatively take away all of the gains of the new deal and labor movement.
Because of social concessions made to the proletariat in the imperialistic West due to encroaching global revolution. History played out differently.
Yeah that is true. I always preffered huey long myself over roosevelt.
We do not have that fear of workers revolting now that is the problem, only the far right is running as reform with left parties seized by aristocratic conservatives.
Hopefully you guys do not support that, this far right. Doing the world a great disservice if so, and any rationalizations for it will not pan out. Ie accelerationists will not see something better after collapse with our current environment. Seeing the west fall to fascists will see the subjugation of less developed countries to higher degrees, collapses of freedoms and prosperity worldwide, such as they are.