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ardi60@reddthat.com to Technology@lemmy.worldEnglish · 2 days ago

X is now offering me end-to-end encrypted chat — you probably shouldn't trust it yet | TechCrunch

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X's new encrypted messaging feature, XChat, has some red flags.
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    probably??? try definitely and ever

  • BD89@lemmy.sdf.org
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    Shouldn’t trust it yet.

    Or ever.

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    XChat, has some red flags.

    With a white circle and a swastika inside?

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    Hey y’all. Reminder not to trust a platform owned and operated by a Nazi manchild.

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    “The guy who helped install Donald Trump, did a Nazi Salute at Trump’s victory parade on live TV, supports authoritarians, and who has declared war on transgender people to the point you’re not allowed to say “Cis” or “Cisgender” on his platform, has created an end to end encrypted chat.”

    All of this has the same vibes as the time Brigham Young University amended their code of conduct to allow people to come out as queer, let some students come out, and then changed the CoC back and expelled the students.

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    shouldn’t trust it yet shouldn’t trust it ever

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    “xchat” sounds like one of those porn chat rooms

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    If you trust ANYTHING Musk has for you well then have I got a bridge to sell you.

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    Yet? More like never.

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    Ah, new ways for Kegsbreath to expose his idiocy.

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    Brain damaged people trust x again.

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    Signal and encrypted email only.

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      Friends and I swapped our group chat to Signal the day Trump was inaugurated…the first time.

      If things keep going the way they are, no one should be communicating on anything but encrypted messaging apps.

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    TL;dr of the article :

    1. They keep your private key on their servers.
    2. Their implementation allows for AITM attacks.
    3. It’s closed source.
    4. There’s no perfect forward secrecy.

    This secret stays between you, me, and Elon.

    I hope politicians use the hell out of it, so we can see what they really think when it gets (inevitably) hacked in a few weeks.

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      is it different with signal, telegram, whatsapp?

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      They keep your private key on their servers.

      Then it’s literally not even E2EE, lol

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      What is the “A” in “AITM”?

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        Agencies

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        Asshole

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        This is the first time I heard of AITM, thought it was a new name for MITM:

        https://www.blueshielditns.com/post/man-in-the-middle-vs-adversary-in-the-middle-understanding-the-differences-and-staying-safe

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          Are you sure that site is trustworthy? It kinda reads like an LLM being told to explain the difference between two names for the same thing and basically rephrasing the same thing. I’d imagine it might just be a different name to get rid of a male-coded word.

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        Adversary

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        It’s just MITM but with extra steps

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          Ah yes, Malcolm in the Middle is behind this all along.

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        Anal

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        Aliens

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        Anyone

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        Elon.

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        Apple

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        Administrator

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      If you chat on Xitter you‘re chatting with mecha Hitler.

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      They are stupid, but not that stupid.

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        Never attribute to malice what can be attributed to incompetence.

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          I used to give the benefit of the doubt but when there are bad incentives in play and shit keeps happening… then perhaps that is naïve sometimes, unfortunately.

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            Do you mean bad incentives?

            And sure, I don’t disagree, but these people are also not actually that smart. I would worry more about this getting hacked in a week way before Elon gets a chance to use it against anyone.

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              Thanks, I do.

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    offering me end-to-end encrypted chat

    No one - not even X - can access or read your messages

    This key is then stored on X’s servers

    So…they’re just blatantly lying?

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      It’s encrypted with a 4 digit pin so they’ll have to spend at least 316.8809e-10 years on brute-forcing it.

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        That’s why my PIN is 5 digits: 12345

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          One. Two. Three. Four. Five?

          That’s amazing. I’ve got the same combination on my luggage.

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            Suck. Suck. Suck. Suck!

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      No - did you even read the article? An x employee confirmed that they’re using the “special” servers to store the keys that mean that they cannot see them. The author then says that the employee confirming it doesn’t mean they do, because the author doesn’t want it to be true.

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        There are hardware for that called hardware security modules, but yeah I definitely wouldn’t trust Twitter’s implementation - especially because they probably just need the auth team to tell the HSM that the user logged in when they didn’t to get that key

        A proper implementation would use multiple security measures and require a reset (delete) of certain private account data before the account access can be reset, otherwise the user’s password would be needed (for key derivation) or some other secret held by the user’s devices (in the TPM chip or equivalent)

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          So again, you think you know better than the employee simply because you want it to be done incorrectly.

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            I’ve run a cryptography forum for 10 years. I can tell snake oil from the real deal.

            Musk’s Twitter doesn’t know how to do key distribution. The only major company using HSMs the way Musk intends to is Apple, and they have far more and much more experienced cryptographers than X does.

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              So again - you just don’t want it to be true, and you think the people that know more than you about it are lying.

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                You sound like an antivaxxer defending a crank

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      The Muskrat lying? No, never!

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    I don’t trust anything coming out of Elon’s fascisthole. Deleted the app when he bought it and never looked back.

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      I refuse to even click on links. If a friend sends me an X link to something funny/interesting I tell them “I don’t click on Nazi links” and ask them to find me another source.

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