God we’re really still doing this shit, aren’t we?

they are going to bleed ukraine dry to both harm russia as much as possible and to squeeze as much money as possible out of it.
I honestly think Ukraine is gonna turn into Afiganistan 2 after this war. Its reminding me a lot of the Soviet Afgan war with how the US is not just massively supplying azov but also kinda forcing the Ukranian army to let Azov take over. We’re at a point where the US and Nato prefer Azov because they follow Nato structure more and Azov has a lot of power in the general Ukrainian army. THey are also the only part of the Ukrainian army that can really do much against Russia so the west is favoring them.
But the fact that the US is constantly arming azov isn’t gonna stop Ukraine from winning the war, they literally can’t win the war. The war is already over, they’re just prolonging the war and making Ukraine more destroyed and killing more people.
With the amount of power, political influence, and arms Azov has RN I fear that once the war is over they’re going to either completely take over Ukraine or turn into a taliban like group in Ukraine like how the Mujahideen turned into the taliban and al Qaeda and stuff. If the war ends and that happens then what? How does Europe handle a large, heavily armed neo nazi group (with members from other European countries such as Germany and the UK BTW)
Its gonna cause chaos
I think the analogy with Afghanistan is quite superficial. Once you look past the surface level similarities you realize why the two conflicts are playing out and will continue to play out very differently.
For one thing, their geography is extremely different. Ukraine’s flat open geography is not conducive to waging guerilla insurgency, with the exception of the far west of Ukraine which is more forested and mountainous but which Russia shows no intention of wanting to have anything to do with.
Second is that the social structures are very different. Afghanistan had and has a very tribal society. Ukraine is essentially a Western style society where people are very alienated. Religion does not play anywhere near as big a role in their lives. And while Banderite ideology is enough to motivate the extremists, it is not sufficient to bind society together in the same way that religious and tribal community does.
Then there’s the fact that Russians and Ukrainians are nearly indistinguishable from each other. The main signifier of Ukrainian identity nowadays is being anti-Russia. But a significant part of the Ukrainian population is just not that anti-Russia. Pro-Russian sentiment is of course harshly suppressed and many of the most pro-Russian Ukrainians left, but still most Ukrainians speak Russian and share a religion with the Russians.
It will be hard for guerillas to hide and move among the people when they never know who might be sympathetic to the Russians. Having a local population that is mostly sympathetic to your struggle is essential to a successful insurgency. It is especially hard when the enemy is not easily linguistically, culturally or physically distinguishable.
And finally, Afghanistan had and continues to have very youth skewed population. Ukraine’s demographics on the other hand are a disaster. There are hardly any young people left, and the waging of a conventional war of attrition is further hollowing out those demographics, killing or crippling a large number of exactly that demographic which would be most suited to wage any kind of insurgency.
Why have we seen no pro-Ukrainian partisan movement of any significance in the new Russian oblasts? There have been very few successful acts of sabotage and assassination there, in fact there have been more of these in Russia proper than in the Donbass/Novorossiya regions. This also applies in the other direction. The pro-Russian partisan movement in Ukraine is also nearly non-existent, not because there are no pro-Russians there but because they have the same problems i outlined above.
Oh I don’t think we’ll see decades of war against Nazi terrorists in Ukraine.
I agree with you there on that not comparable.
I just think the initial result of the CIA armed group of insane ideological extremists, in this case Nazis, will lead to another ukranian Taliban style org.
It will probably be wiped out once it steps out of Ukraine but I still see it being created
There actually might not be that much Azov left at this point, because they’ve been used as a fire brigade to try and plug the holes in the front. The latest being Pokrovsk. So, they never really get any relief, and they suffer increasingly high losses as a result. Breaking the army is the goal in a war of attrition, and most of the highly motivated fighters are dead after nearly four years of fighting. Incidentally, I saw a vid just recently of somebody from Azov complaining how it’s not the same as it was at the start because new recruits are just not as motivated.
I still think the azov new recruits are still Nazis. I think they just know they’re going to lose the war and they have to hide it more for the west.
Azov is also seeing foreign Nazi recruits who using NATO training and experience plan on causing terror attacks back in the west
They are, but they also a bunch of broken and demoralized nazis at this point. I do think Ukrainian fascists turning on the west is a very real scenario though. Right wing is having a huge surge in all the major European countries, and the fascist networks have obviously been working with Ukraine. Even CBS reported at one point how something like 70% of the weapons sent to Ukraine go missing, and I would bet money a lot of them ended up in fascist cells in Europe. There’s also the whole betrayal narrative taking hold in Ukraine. The west made a lot of promises it didn’t keep, and now Ukrainians are realizing they got played.
I think regardless my Ukrainian Taliban theory will end up true regardless. I think this is too similar to the 80s
I don’t really see any parallels between Ukraine and Afghanistan myself. I expect a far more likely scenario is Germany after the end of WW2 or Chechnya more recently.
Ukrainian Nazis have a clear internationalist mindset and are being sent millions of weapons and dollars by the US and European governments.
I think it’s similar to how the US ended up finding Al Qaeda and shit.
I mean we’ll see soon enough, but they tried same sort of thing in Chechnya and that failed.
Ukrainian Nazis have a clear internationalist mindset
What signs do you see for that?
Azov is also seeing foreign Nazi recruits who using NATO training and experience plan on causing terror attacks back in the west
this is the first time i’m hearing of this and surprised since the west is going pro-fascist anyways.
A guest on true anon spoke about it weeks ago
How does Europe handle a large, heavily armed neo nazi group
Last time they given them offices in NATO
Didn’t they used something like 30 patriot missiles to shoot down a single alleged hypersonic missile?
Yeah the math there just doesn’t work. It’s even worse with drones cause they’re dirt cheap so even using a single missile to intercept a drone is incredibly wasteful. Patriot is basically a legacy weapon at this point designed to intercept slow and expensive missiles as opposed to cheap drones and hypersonics.
Patriot is basically a legacy weapon at this point designed to intercept slow and expensive missiles
Didn’t the reason for Patriot fame was shooting down Scud missiles in Iraq?
lol yeah






