You think sending troops or their navy to Venezuela, potentially contributing to the escalation to WWIII (as trump et all would see it as a challenge to face down not a deterrent to their invasion/strikes/whatever they have planned) would be good for Venezuela, international socialism or the world in general?
They’re already supplying arms, materiel and forgiving debts, to act as if they are doing nothing is silly, so is saying that the reason they aren’t doing more is because of their domestic economic policies
You think sending troops or their navy to Venezuela
Which they will never do. They could have built Venezuela’s productive capacity to actually refine the massive amounts of heavy crude oil, but they didn’t. Venezuela has been able to do NOTHING with their mineral resources for nearly a decade.
They’re already supplying arms, materiel and forgiving debts, to act as if they are doing nothing is silly,
Am I supposed to pat them on the back for this? They do business with everybody.
As circumstances stand I agree, but you didn’t answer my question as objective material reality stands right now do you think they should deploy the PLA and PLAN to Venezuela?
They’ve invested(with the profits from gained their hybrid market system) in Venezuela and its oil industry(most went to production rather than domestic refinement but not all), even while under US sanction
And have provided a critical economic lifeline outside of the US/NATO/IMF order, which while not as effective as kinetically opposing US imperialism, is still far better than doing nothing but wringing hands from an ideologically pure position
Am I supposed to pat them on the back for this? They do business with everybody.
No you’re supposed to recognize this is far more than almost any other country is doing in solidarity, and tell me what else you think they should be doing?
You think sending troops or their navy to Venezuela,
I don’t think the PRC can even do that. They would basically have to sail 3/4 across the world because there’s 0% chance the US vassal state Panama would allow them passage through the Panama Canal. The PLAN would have to sail across the Indian Ocean past the Cape of Good Hope to get to Venezuela. Sailing past Cape Hope makes no sense owning to the hostility of the weather and waters.
At the end of the day, the SU was a military superpower first and foremost while the PRC is an economic superpower. The US is getting owned on the economic front, so they’re pivoting to the military front where the US still has an edge over the PRC. The PRC will make allies through opportunities for economic development while the US will drop the military hammer to keep them in line. No one wants to do business if their investment is just going to be bombed to shit, after all. Expect countries that sign on to the BRI to be attacked by the US as punishment for signing on to the BRI. The time for a soft power approach is over especially since October 7 has destroyed every ounce of soft power credibility the US has but also exposed that soft power doesn’t mean a rat’s ass compared with hard power.
If the BRI is the modern Silk Road, the US is playing the part of marauders and pirates waylaying Silk Road traders and stealing their shit. To continue this analogy, the PRC needs to play the part of security escorting those trader through hostile roads. This means investing in their military. Right now, the PLAN has a grand total of three (3) aircraft carriers. Two needs to be kept close to the PRC due to Taiwan/the Philippines/Japan/ROK, so the PLAN can actually only use one (1) aircraft carrier for saber-rattling/interventionist/brinksmanship purposes. The USN has 11 carriers and even if you subtract 4 for the two coastlines, that’s still 7 carriers. It’s 7 carriers vs 1 carrier.
By far the biggest gap is the gap in the number of overseas military bases. It’s 800+ vs 3. Much of those 800+ military bases boils down to the US overthrowing leaders with a degree of independence and installing compradors and vassals who then rubberstamp US bases sprouting up in their country where US troops commit SA against the local women. The PRC thus far has marketed itself as a noninterventionist country, which means countries are not exactly falling over themselves to open up military bases for the PRC especially given the aforementioned experience of US troops SA and committing crime in general. Imagine if Venezuela and the PRC had a military alliance. That would mean military cooperation, which means a Chinese military base in Venezuela in practical terms. Chinese troops are not just going to just show up in some random Venezuelan port and sleep at random Venezuelan hotels. But would the people of Venezuela actually agree to this?
They could have vetoed the US “peace” plan at the security council.
They could have cut all business relations with the Zionist Entity.
Maybe they could have even twisted Putin’s arm and made him choose between Zionism and continued access to Chinese markets!
Who knows? Perhaps they could have even “ruined Christmas” for the western consumer economies by holding up exports and saying “The presents will stop until the genocide stops. If the people in Bethlehem and the rest of Palestine can’t celebrate Christmas in peace then no trinkets for you.”
There are lots of levers to pull when you are the world’s largest export economy!
But “national development” takes priority over proletarian internationalism. No wonder internationalism is left to ideology grounded in the likes of Islam when the world’s largest “socialist” state continues to show every time it matters that they will do realpolitik for the sake of their capital rather than accept potential economic challenges. Making Chinese middle class incomes continue to grow so they can afford to become car-brained is more important.
I do not believe that continuing marketization of the Chinese economy nor keeping business relations with Israel are necessary or even beneficial towards the end of international socialism’s victory over capitalism.
You think sending troops or their navy to Venezuela, potentially contributing to the escalation to WWIII (as trump et all would see it as a challenge to face down not a deterrent to their invasion/strikes/whatever they have planned) would be good for Venezuela, international socialism or the world in general?
In some areas sure, but there are still vast areas of underdevelopment
“Sir, Venezuela is about to be taken over”
“Just one more cycle of development, bro. I promise, bro”
What do you want from them?
You think sending troops or their navy to Venezuela, potentially contributing to the escalation to WWIII (as trump et all would see it as a challenge to face down not a deterrent to their invasion/strikes/whatever they have planned) would be good for Venezuela, international socialism or the world in general?
They’re already supplying arms, materiel and forgiving debts, to act as if they are doing nothing is silly, so is saying that the reason they aren’t doing more is because of their domestic economic policies
Oh, there’s jack shit China can do now aside from
Which they will never do. They could have built Venezuela’s productive capacity to actually refine the massive amounts of heavy crude oil, but they didn’t. Venezuela has been able to do NOTHING with their mineral resources for nearly a decade.
Am I supposed to pat them on the back for this? They do business with everybody.
As circumstances stand I agree, but you didn’t answer my question as objective material reality stands right now do you think they should deploy the PLA and PLAN to Venezuela?
They’ve invested(with the profits from gained their hybrid market system) in Venezuela and its oil industry(most went to production rather than domestic refinement but not all), even while under US sanction
And have provided a critical economic lifeline outside of the US/NATO/IMF order, which while not as effective as kinetically opposing US imperialism, is still far better than doing nothing but wringing hands from an ideologically pure position
No you’re supposed to recognize this is far more than almost any other country is doing in solidarity, and tell me what else you think they should be doing?
I don’t think the PRC can even do that. They would basically have to sail 3/4 across the world because there’s 0% chance the US vassal state Panama would allow them passage through the Panama Canal. The PLAN would have to sail across the Indian Ocean past the Cape of Good Hope to get to Venezuela. Sailing past Cape Hope makes no sense owning to the hostility of the weather and waters.
At the end of the day, the SU was a military superpower first and foremost while the PRC is an economic superpower. The US is getting owned on the economic front, so they’re pivoting to the military front where the US still has an edge over the PRC. The PRC will make allies through opportunities for economic development while the US will drop the military hammer to keep them in line. No one wants to do business if their investment is just going to be bombed to shit, after all. Expect countries that sign on to the BRI to be attacked by the US as punishment for signing on to the BRI. The time for a soft power approach is over especially since October 7 has destroyed every ounce of soft power credibility the US has but also exposed that soft power doesn’t mean a rat’s ass compared with hard power.
If the BRI is the modern Silk Road, the US is playing the part of marauders and pirates waylaying Silk Road traders and stealing their shit. To continue this analogy, the PRC needs to play the part of security escorting those trader through hostile roads. This means investing in their military. Right now, the PLAN has a grand total of three (3) aircraft carriers. Two needs to be kept close to the PRC due to Taiwan/the Philippines/Japan/ROK, so the PLAN can actually only use one (1) aircraft carrier for saber-rattling/interventionist/brinksmanship purposes. The USN has 11 carriers and even if you subtract 4 for the two coastlines, that’s still 7 carriers. It’s 7 carriers vs 1 carrier.
By far the biggest gap is the gap in the number of overseas military bases. It’s 800+ vs 3. Much of those 800+ military bases boils down to the US overthrowing leaders with a degree of independence and installing compradors and vassals who then rubberstamp US bases sprouting up in their country where US troops commit SA against the local women. The PRC thus far has marketed itself as a noninterventionist country, which means countries are not exactly falling over themselves to open up military bases for the PRC especially given the aforementioned experience of US troops SA and committing crime in general. Imagine if Venezuela and the PRC had a military alliance. That would mean military cooperation, which means a Chinese military base in Venezuela in practical terms. Chinese troops are not just going to just show up in some random Venezuelan port and sleep at random Venezuelan hotels. But would the people of Venezuela actually agree to this?
Exactly my point is even if they could, should they? would it materially benefit Venezuela and its people?
They could have vetoed the US “peace” plan at the security council.
They could have cut all business relations with the Zionist Entity.
Maybe they could have even twisted Putin’s arm and made him choose between Zionism and continued access to Chinese markets!
Who knows? Perhaps they could have even “ruined Christmas” for the western consumer economies by holding up exports and saying “The presents will stop until the genocide stops. If the people in Bethlehem and the rest of Palestine can’t celebrate Christmas in peace then no trinkets for you.”
There are lots of levers to pull when you are the world’s largest export economy!
But “national development” takes priority over proletarian internationalism. No wonder internationalism is left to ideology grounded in the likes of Islam when the world’s largest “socialist” state continues to show every time it matters that they will do realpolitik for the sake of their capital rather than accept potential economic challenges. Making Chinese middle class incomes continue to grow so they can afford to become car-brained is more important.
Developing China to become a real military threat to US geopolitical dominance, and not fall into the trap the USSR did is more important
Wining the war is more important than winning every battle
I do not believe that continuing marketization of the Chinese economy nor keeping business relations with Israel are necessary or even beneficial towards the end of international socialism’s victory over capitalism.
that wasn’t my question, it was:
You think sending troops or their navy to Venezuela, potentially contributing to the escalation to WWIII (as trump et all would see it as a challenge to face down not a deterrent to their invasion/strikes/whatever they have planned) would be good for Venezuela, international socialism or the world in general?