This is literally natural selection in action. Do not interfere. They want to do everything on their own, no problem. But no hypocrisy. Make your choice and stand by it come what may.
Nature gives no fucks about MAGAt feelings
Nature gives no fucks
The problem is their choices often affect others
Why do I need a vaccine if we’ve got herd immunity? Betcha didnt think of that!
It’s not natural selection if they breed before dying, and I think the conservatives are still having more children earlier then liberals because they think God said condoms and abortion are evil.
If they don’t vaccinate their kids, then evolution is back on the table, and not just for the pathogens.
Conservative types get balance by taking fascism to it’s genocidal end against non-conservatives
It’s not happening fast enough. I think they need help.
Lol, lmao even
Let natural selection do its job.
Just sucks for their kids.
The children would likely grow up to be uneducated conservatives too. It’s better this way for everyone involved.
Imagine publicly advocating for the deaths of children via preventable and gruesome illness.
I’m not advocating for it though?
I’m simply stating the obvious.
You said it was better, but you didn’t say it should happen.
Huh.
Yep, that’s not advocating. Checks out. Carry on.
Nah just advocating for the obvious consequences of their specific actions. Cause and effect.
Most of their kids end up just like them. It’s matrix rules, until they’re out they may as well be agents.
They likely still only die after having kids, so natural selection has really no effect here.
My mom died in November 2020 due to something like an upper respiratory infection. Antibiotics could have saved her, but she chose vitamins and colloidal silver. She’d been part of this christofascism cult since the 90s
I understand how you feel. I lost an uncle the same way during covid. He was a good man. He didn’t deserve to die.
Good people can be tricked, just like bad people. It’s a goddamn shame.
Someone I loved very much died because he thought the Covid vaccine would kill him. Before he fell down the alt-medicine rabbit hole, he was one of my favorite uncles. He was a good guy.
He had four kids, all still in grade school, and a wife who’s now a single mom. He didn’t deserve to become a casualty of a confidence scam. He deserved to live. It pisses me off when people look at the death toll of a believable lie and gloat about how it’s removing the ‘right’ people.
They fell for a scam. That doesn’t merit the death sentence.
Edit: I didn’t think that publicly showing some vulnerability by talking about a dead loved one was such a god damned controversial take. Humans are a social species. We are hardwired to trust our peers because it is part of how we evolved to survive.
When that evolutionary advantage is exploited by con artists and cult leaders, it is difficult to fight. No one is immune to believing a lie. No matter how smart, sensitive, or cynical, we have the same fundamental weakness; we trust our in-group before we trust an unknown outlier. Consider the last time you found out that a fundamental part of your worldview turned out to be part of a broader deception, and how difficult it was to overcome that in spite of the mountain of obvious evidence.
I asked for people to remember that, and have empathy. Nothing more. The reason? The only way to convince someone to get out of a cult is to give them some empathy, and wait. To quietly demonstrate, through sustained neutral interactions, that a piece of their worldview doesn’t work. That strategy fails when you alienate them. Alienating them validates their conditioning and drives them deeper into the deception and the alternative reality it offers.
Someone you love believes something that isn’t true. And eventually, they’ll run into evidence that denies their view. For my uncle, that opportunity to change his mind came too late. Lies kill people. That is a fact. Have a god damn heart, and be patient. Unraveling your whole world is a terrifying undertaking, and they need a hand when that moment comes, not hatred…
Is everyone who falls for a scam–whether it’s crypto, alternative medicine, or MAGA–a good person? Hell no. Should you make that effort for everyone? Again, no. All I’m asking is that if someone you love falls for a trap, try to pull them out of it before it’s too late.
Nah, he had access to the same information as the rest of us, but his obsession with Trump was more important to him than his family. He worked hard to earn his death, and his family should resent him for the rest of their lives for abandoning them.
And so should you. If Trump had started rounding up and murdering immigrants and dissidents, he would have cheered for it. Don’t deny it, he literally died for Trump. He was a bad and stupid person, who died because of his own poor choices.
It’s wild. Americans being unwilling to enact even SOCIAL consequences on MAGA garbage is exactly why they are where they are. These people need to be cut off without a second thought.
I’m glad no one you cared about died because they got suckered into following a cult. I’m glad you don’t have to wonder if they’ll get hurt because they’ve been brainwashed. I’m glad you don’t have to wonder who fed them such poisonous lies, and fight to try and cure it.
I’m glad no one you cared about died because they got suckered into following a cult.
No one I know died because no one I know is that stupid. And that actually includes my MAGA dad who I don’t talk to anymore, but I think that’s because he spent his life working in a hospital, and that allowed him to avoid falling for THAT part of the MAGA scam.
I’m not going to feel sorry for assholes that choose to ignore advice from highly educated professionals in favor of listening to felons, rapists, and pedophiles instead.
Cool. Very noble and high minded, aren’t you?.
People like you are the reason the US is where it is.
Don’t you know that the US and Canada are twins? Don’t you see that your country is going the exact same way ours is? Those are your friends and family who are reading the same trash, maybe wedging its way into the same cracks in their logic that killed someone I loved.
If it hasn’t happened, it will. And I hope when it does, you try to save them too.
Yes, I know that your inaction is likely to make this our problem eventually too.
And when it does, any “friends and family” espousing that garbage gets cut off AT BEST. If they’re fortunate, they’ll get to keep all their teeth. And if they decide that conspiracy theories are more attractive than, you know, staying alive, good riddance.
Looking through your comment history, you seem to make a career out of blaming and mocking victims. I have to wonder who hurt you so badly that you spend all day hurting other people. How does using your trauma like it’s a keyboard assault weapon help your cause?
Yes… too many people with empathy and beliefs rooted in complex first hand experience. That’s why the U.S. is where it is…
Definitely nothing to do with people jumping to conclusion driven by black and white thinking
Cool. You live in your grey area where Nazis have some good qualities and maybe you can reach them if you overlook the fact that they’re absolute garbage. That’s definitely stopped fascists before.
I don’t want to accuse you of pulling something out of your ass just to box me into a false dichotomy, but I also don’t recall typing any of that?
Pretty fucked up your making fun of someone who lost a loved one. Completely ignorant to think something like that couldn’t happen to you, unless you don’t have loved ones, dick.
When maga stop wanting me dead I’ll start caring when they die.
Preach.
I’m not making fun of anyone, I’m criticizing someone. For the things they’re saying.
Does experiencing grief (even for science-denying fascist enablers) equal immunity from criticism where you’re from?
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Really? You met him?
He kissed your head and grinned when you talked about your favorite superheroes? He picked you up and swung you around on his arms with his own kids, singing songs about monkeys in trees?
He held you when you cried? He held your mother when she cried?
You make a lot of assumptions for some faceless ass on the deep dark depths of the internet.
Hitler loved dogs and children. He also slaughtered millions of them.
I didn’t know your uncle personally, but I know he was a MAGA who was so dug in that he literally put his obsession for Trump ahead of his love for his family, and died for it, abandoning his 4 kids. Anyone who puts their politics or religion ahead of their love for their own children is a sociopathic loser.
What else do I need to know about him? Nothing he possibly did is going to redeem him for being an unapologetic MAGA sociopath to the very end.
Health conspiracies predate trump and will continue long after him.
They weren’t always right coded either. The granola health nuts were left leaning conspiracy nuts for decades.
You’re an asshole
Calling someone you’ve never met a sociopath while demonstrating a complete lack of empathy is certainly ironic.
Lot of assumptions. First and foremost that he liked Trump.
I could make a lot of assumptions about you.
You and people like you are the reason maga rose to power to begin with. But go ahead, Keep posting about your moral superiority online, I’m sure that will fix everything.
You and people like you are the reason maga rose to power to begin with.
MAGA rose to power because they are gullible bigots and a rich bigot came along and played to those weaknesses to make some $$$.
But it wasn’t believable.
No one should have believed it.
People falling for the “scam” aren’t fooled, they are buying in to an ideology that they want to support.
This is why i call the conservative/alternative medicine mindset a “brain worm”. If unprepared, you can get infected.
They fell for a scam. That doesn’t merit the death sentence.
Agree. The sad fact is there have been plenty of mistakes made throughout history that can often serve as a kernel of truth to make a lie just believable enough. Given historical context within the U.S. (for example Tuskegee experiments), and the fact that even in the last decade we’ve uncovered more cases of unethical human experimentation by both the government and private companies (MK Ultra, social media manipulation of users emotions), we really should be asking why more isn’t being done by leaders to: 1. Publicly acknowledge some very big mistakes, 2. Create ongoing consequences for the people who did this unethical bullshit. As in, ongoing financial penalties/compensations for victims and their families/communities, and demanding more transparency from these agencies and businesses… Instead of allowing them to just continue operating as normal, essentially tax free with zero transparency while pretending we should all just say thank you.
Idk is expecting the bare minimum from the people we trust (and PAY) to create and enforce laws and policy really too far fetched?
I know whenever I read some crazy MAHA bullshit coming from DHHS in 2026 implying I should be depending on raw milk for my own health instead of vaccinations, I think about the fact that A. Obviously this is a once trusted source of information I can no longer trust, B. The damage currently being done to public trust isn’t going to disappear overnight if/when fascism leaves office, C. The current damage is compounded on top of a lot of previous damage our government never took the time to actually acknowledge and try to repair. D. I doubt anybody in this administration will face consequences for the damage they’re doing, but there will be ongoing consequences to public health and safety for decades if not generations. And that’s kind of their overarching goal.
Tldr: It’s valid to be angry at people for making poor choices, but they’re still people. I’m more angry at the system that failed them and is continuing to fail all of us by not demanding accountability from the agencies/corporations/individuals who knew what they were doing was wrong, but did it anyway because they believed/trusted that even if they got caught, any consequences/penalities would be insignificant.
A couple I knew in college, basically they’d been together since elementary school, moved to rural Minnesota to live their newfound conservative principles. When COVID hit, they were vocally anti-vaccine and antimask, even crusading to ban masks from their little community.
The whole family got sick, and the husband died on a government-provided respirator. The wife and her grown kids still blame Biden.
The wife and her grown kids still blame Biden.
Well they can’t blame themselves. That’s a sign of weakness!!!
Its sad but inevitable. Gotta suck it up
They’ve been falling for the scam so long that it’s nobody’s fault but their own now.
He wasn’t a good guy, and the world is a better place without him.
Imagine having no empathy, as if that will make the world a better place.
Nazis don’t get empathy. They deserve to be put underground.
No idea what this sentiment has to do with my reply. Not everyone that refuses the covid vaccine or uses alt medicine is a nazi.
True.
But most subscribe to an ideology that is becoming more and more akin to Nazism.
But yeah, there are people of all sorts that are just weird about vaccines and doctors and it may have nothing to do with their political beliefs. People believing that all anti-vaxxers are MAGA Nazis is just another thing MAGA Nazis have ruined for us.
Imagine having no empathy
Eh. Our conservative leaders are telling us empathy is a weakness (literally).
I guess it depends if he was just consuming the misinformation or if he was actively spreading the misinformation
World woulda been fucking better if there was help for the dude’s uncle. Please don’t be so callous.
There was help. Still is. These people have agency and the same access to information you and I do. If anyone believes something in spite of the available information it’s because they want to. They’re just dumb, but this kinda dumb kills other people too, not just themselves.
Go fuck yourself. Feel free to talk shit about your own family. Don’t talk shit about mine.
Good. They deserve that.
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It’s the same as conspiracy theorists. Gives you a belief you’re smarter than everyone else by knowing something they don’t. Which is why both tend to go against whatever the more prevalent political ideology is at the time.
There weren’t disparities by political alignment 30 years ago, though.
we draw on… the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent to Adult Health… which has tracked a nationally representative cohort of people who were adolescents in the 1990s… over the course of their lifetimes… includes a measure of political beliefs: self-reported liberal–conservative placement.
We find that conservative Americans in this cohort, who were about as healthy as liberals in the early 2010s, experienced worsening health through the 2010s and higher mortality in the early 2020s. Roughly half of this new health gap is due to people changing their ideology over time, with new entrants to the conservative coalition being less healthy than new liberals. But another sizeable share is due to people who were already liberal or conservative diverging more in health over time…
By the 2020s, conservatives were dying at significantly higher rates than liberals, with the gap concentrated in internal causes (for example, heart disease, cancer and stroke). The divide since 2020 is substantial: while only 0.2% of ‘very liberal’ respondents died of internal causes between 2020 and 2022, the probability for people who identified as ‘very conservative’ was 1.14 percentage points higher… This gap is not limited to deaths from COVID-19 and is not reducible to demographic or geographic differences between the groups, nor is it a pure function of ageing: previous cohorts’ death patterns in older data did not show a similar correlation between health and ideology before 2010.It was a big slap in the face when I learned (about a decade ago) the “hippes” were all bigots around here, using be a dead head as an excuse to be a drug addict.
Some takeaways from the study:
One goal of the study was to separate external vs internal causes, that is things like car accidents and violence vs heart attacks and diabetes.
The gap appeared not just in those who identified long-term with either side but with those who flipped from one side to the other. Those who went right to left and left to right had better or worse outcomes respectively. The other factors that correlated with the gap the most were income, insurance, education then religiosity and marriage. Race, ethnicity and gender were the least correlated. Those who identified as moderates at some point correlated the least. Marriage and religiosity tend to correlate with longer lives (religion due to social support).
The negative coefficients in the first years of all-cause deaths show that liberals died at rates higher than or similar to conservatives in the early 2000s, although the coefficients do not statistically differ from zero. However, by 2020–2022, more conservative respondents (as measured in waves 3 and 5) were significantly more likely to die than more liberal ones.
Although ideology became more predictive of health during the 2010s, the relationship between politics and mortality became consistently significant only after 2020…A strong relationship appears: participants who identify as very conservative were about 1.144 percentage points…more likely to die in 2020–2022 than those who were very liberal. Unlike in the biomarker analyses, moderate, conservative and very conservative respondents showed worse health - not only the most conservative.
…even conservatives and liberals living in the same county have different health outcomes. These data cast doubt on entirely policy-driven explanations for differences in health outcomes.
Existing research shows that while confidence in medicine was once non-partisan, Republicans began to show less confidence than Democrats during the pandemic…
While both groups (left and right) were just as likely to have visited their PCP right aligned were less likely to trust or follow their recommendations. Right aligned were more likely to go to the ER but again, less likely to trust or follow their recommendations.
Taken together, these results suggest that right-leaning Americans - as measured by their vote choice, partisanship and to a lesser extent their ideology - are less willing to visit, trust and adhere to the advice of their PCPs. This is true even among people with chronic conditions that require regular contact with the medical system for management and appears across a variety of outcomes unrelated to care for COVID-19.
Thank you 💜
Who has a higher birth rate? Libs or Conservatives?
Conservatives love their teen pregnancy so… them.
Conservatives.
But a lot of their kids will grow up and abandon the conservative bullshit.
And many will die young as a result of their parents’ beliefs.
It is nice to think that this would be a trend but when you start from a poor conservative family there are very good chances that you didn’t have education, emotional support and was surrounded by religious fanatics, consequently you will just propagate the circle.
Fortunately, concervatism is not a biologically inheritable trait.
Yeah … it’s learned from your parents
Some break free
Some
Birth rates tend to decrease with education…
Die faster.
This is one way to make America healthy again.
Yep. If you cull the weak fast enough, you never have more than a handful of sick people at a time. Mom taught me that!
Finally, some good fucking news
This wouldn’t bother me so much if these same people are inflicting this bullshit on their children. If you want to kill yourself by being an idiot that’s fine, but don’t drag the innocent into it.
Can we make this a law?
Partisans have to follow ideological discipline… if conservative, you must:
not get vaccines
Not have abortions
Not be allowed subsidized food or health care
Follow all tenets of your Christian religion
Etc…We can call it the “Practice what you preach” law
As long as also the liberals follow the same law practing what they preach, it would be interesting to see who will survive in the end.
I fully agree, but am having trouble coming up with examples for the liberals like i could for the conservatives…
it would be interesting to see who will survive in the end.
This isn’t even a debate. Liberals, because they listen to scientific experts. And they’re more likely to achieve a higher eductaion.
I knew at least 10 Conservative people who are now dead because of their devotion to the prosperity gospel. Problem is, once they were too sick for it to matter, they begged for medical attention, which you and I paid for.
and no masks by MDs when they get surgery.
Lol. There wouldn’t be a single conservative left in existence.
