Axon says cops are asking it to make its automatic license plate readers (ALPRs) look different from Flock cameras because Flock vandalism has become so widespread, according to comments Axon’s CEO made in a now deleted webinar.

The comments highlight how Axon is trying to take advantage of sustained opposition against Flock’s license plate cameras, with one law enforcement customer suggesting a camera redesign would “help with the optics while we batten down the hatches” as the backlash spreads.

As 404 Media has reported, some towns and cities are switching from Flock to Axon’s cameras after cops did lookups for ICE in Flock, tracked a woman who self-administered an abortion, and have repeatedly abused their access to stalk ex-spouses. ALPRs constantly scan the license plate, brand, model, and other identifying features of all vehicles that drive past the camera and then make this timestamped log of activity searchable by law enforcement without a warrant.

In an August 26 webinar that was hosted on Axon’s official Vimeo page called “From backlash to trust,” Axon Chief Customer Officer Mike Wagers took a question from the remote audience and asked, “is there any talk — and there has been talk — to redesign Outpost, our fixed ALPR camera, to not look exactly like a Flock camera?”

“We are looking at […] do we change the general shape,” Rick Smith, Axon’s CEO, replied. At another point in the webinar, Smith brought up Axon’s Lightpost product, which is an ALPR and AI-powered camera that attaches to an existing streetlight. “Frankly, we’ve had a lot of customers saying, hey, we’d like something that looks different because there is all this blowback. ​​It’s harder to vandalize because it’s up higher,” he said.

Smith also said, “We’ve had some people say they’d like to see us make just a different camera, because our ALPR camera looks like an ALPR camera.” Another idea Smith brought up, pending customer feedback, is to go in the other direction and make ALPRs more explicit, with signs showing where they are located and a description of the city’s ALPR policies.

*Edit: it just occurred to me what all these cameras are. Its the same as in the old days when the French British monarchies sationed troops on the street corner because of their fear: the British because they were cramping down on their colonies, and the French because they were scared of their own people. In fact, America’s debt problem closely resembles how it was leadinging up to and during the Meeting of the Estates General. There, handsom giveaways were given to the wealthy 2 estates at the expense of the common man’s estate. This was all while France was drowning in national debt (seem familiar?).

To combat the unrest, the monarchies stationed troops on the street corners. These cameras are the same thing from the Epstein class; tracking where the citizenry goes and who they are with. This doesn’t seem like it’ll end well.

  • CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world
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    Coke vs. Pepsi.

    “What? They are both sugar water that is terrible for you?”

    –American consumers

    Axon is The Choice of a New Generation ™ !

    “What? They are both part of a dystopian panopticon being built by collusion between oligarchs and fascists?”

    –American citizens

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    “People hate the Flock cameras so we’ll replace them with a different brand of camera.” Are they really that stupid to think it’s the “Flock” part and not the “camera” part that people are upset about? Or that making them look different will make everyone go, “oh, that’s all right then as long as they don’t look like the Flock ones go ahead and surveil us”?

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      The general public doesn’t have a good memory either. If they stop seeing cameras and when the news cycle changes to some other topic, I fully expect the public will forget all about flock cameras.

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      Doesn’t matter, destroy them anyway.

      You going to be able to reach these?

      an ALPR and AI-powered camera that attaches to an existing streetlight. “Frankly, we’ve had a lot of customers saying, hey, we’d like something that looks different because there is all this blowback. ​​It’s harder to vandalize because it’s up higher

      Maybe a paintball gun? What about a crossbow?

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      I really am hoping for a esp32 hack that we can just force a looped viseo feed into them. Destroying is cool. But disabling them without them knowing. Chef’s kiss.

      I heard their security is absolute garbage.

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        They’re getting better after all the hacks and blowback. Randomized MACs, disabling Bluetooth, transmitting only on activity to hide packet traffic, and using cell as a primary connection.

        Which means they’re scared.

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    lol the People are about to go from Fuck Flock to Fuck Axon. It’s not gonna stop until the tech fascists are gone.

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    The stupid fuckers who think ALPRs are a good idea are also the stupid fuckers that think that the public only hate Flock ALPRs.

    They can’t understand that the public hate all ALPRs.

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      They can’t understand that the public hate all ALPRs.

      Oh no, they 100% understand that. They are betting on more obfuscation of the installations being enough to fool the idiot public into thinking they’re not being tracked.

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        It is amazing how stupid people assume everyone else is as stupid as them. Dunning-Kruger effect in full force.

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          The problem is a lot of people really are that stupid. That’s what gets us into these messes.

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            Think about how stupid the average person is. Now realize that 50% are even more stupid. - George Carlin (paraphrase since the quote might not be exact.)

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    I bet money this works for them. Almost to the level that people will think flock was a psyop to direct hate before most counties switch to whatever nondescript alpr they can get their hands on. Americans have the collective memory of a goldfish and the outage will move on to some dumb bullshit trump pulls in a week

    Or they just start directly integrating them into fixtures like traffic and street lights.

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      I’m still surprised one half of the population could stop thinking about women’s basketball for long enough to even consider the Flock cameras…

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      This one. It’ll be a much a bigger penalty for “vandalizing” part of a street light because it’s municipal infrastructure.

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    Cops: people are attacking them because they are black

    People: what?

    Cops: it’s what we would do…

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    They don’t get that the only winning move PR-wise is to drop those cameras and work on transparency.