• Alsephina@lemmy.mlOP
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    2 years ago

    Better late than never I guess

    no world in which the forced famine of 1.1 million people cannot be considered genocide

    She should consider also applying this knowledge to the embargo on the Cuban people

    Edit: Obviously not trying to downplay the genocide in Gaza if it came across like that.

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    I really do wonder how much of Gaza and its people are left standing and alive? Like what the real numbers of deaths are as the fog of war makes it so hard to really know. I fear once the world really reacts it will be too late. Maybe already is. So upsetting. All the wars are upsetting to me and so unnecessary.

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      Targeting the hospitals was a deliberate tactic to make this kind of information harder to reliably gather and disseminate.

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        Targeting journalists and UNRWA was also a deliberate attack to suppress the information going out of Gaza and also to cause the biggest possible suffering to the civilian population.

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          I feel its also important to note that they target more than just the journalists themselves, they also target their families. It’s really is staggering how deep the depravity goes.

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          Part of “israel” succeeding would mean obscuring the situation by continuing to kill journalists and by propaganda

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            I think what he’s trying to say is that Israel succeeding would mean all of the Palestinians are dead, making the number of deaths equal or close to the population who remained.

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          We will see the result but not the details of the war crimes committed. IDF is working to cover their tracks, they know that once info starts coming out they will face backlash.

    • Muad'Dibber@lemmygrad.ml
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      After AOC voted present rather than no on a 1B USD funding bill for Israel’s iron dome:

      According to the congresswoman, “In the macro of national impact, I probably should have gone with my values - which would be to vote ‘No’ - but in the micro, I do believe this created a window in our community to bring all folks to the table.”

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        Maybe I have something like schizophasia or whatever that is, but this sentence itself without translation to normal language already read wild.

        In general I probably shouldn’t have participated in holding that guy with my buddies while other buddies kick him until he’s dead, but in specifics I think this is a positive thing that we’ve done it together.

    • RealFknNito@lemmy.world
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      The focus groups on whether or not using the term genocide would lose or gain support finally reported in.

      A reminder that even the good politicians fucking aren’t.

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        It took a special kind of sociopath to think yourself the best person to decide on which laws should be followed by millions of people. Civilization is inherently doomed to collapse. You just need to know whether you’re at the tail end of one to make a decision whether you want to prepare for the collapse to survive to live few years longer or just welcome the destruction and maybe your consciousness will reform sometime in the future.

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      AOC has had this position from the start. I’m getting so sick of edgy cynicism. If you really gave a shit then you would be paying more attention instead of seeking it.

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    Wow! I’m so impressed with her immense moral courage! It is so brave to do the right thing only when doing so becomes less damaging to your career than not doing it would be.

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        US Law states that we’ll do anything and everything in our power to make sure no US official ever sees justice. So, no I highly doubt it.

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        Unfortunately no US president will ever face a war crimes tribunal, despite the devastation and mass murder they’ve caused. In 2016 alone, Obama dropped an average of 3 bombs every hour on the middle east and north africa. Its a sad truth that none of these people will ever have to pay for their crimes.

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        What exactly was the strategy? Provoke Israel into overreacting and then hope every other country in the region would be forced to step in?

        In marketing we get told ‘hope is not a strategy’.

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          the plan ended at provoke Israel into overreacting imo

          israel ethnically cleansing gaza is a win in hamas’ book, not a loss

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            It has been happening and it was going to continue happening. Didn’t Israel just annex more West Bank?

            Hamas chose now for whatever reason. The only real beneficiary here is the Russian Federation and their war crimes in Ukraine.

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        Well they’ll either be dead or forced out, so technically it won’t be apartheid or occupation any more.

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      Do you genuinely believe that?

      Hamas certainly deserves condemnation and are terrorists.

      But IDF members are posting drone executions of unarmed children on social media themselves.

      The IDF are just as complicit as Hamas in harm to civilians. The evidence is irrefutable.

      Terrorist like Hamas attack and capture civilians, claim credit and post to social media. The IDF are doing the same thing.

      If Hamas surrendered today I have no belief that the IDF will stop.

      We’ve seen frequently that over decades the IDF have killed Palestinians protesting peacefully, killed press present at protests, killing medics.

      Now they’re taking the opportunity to attack civilians in hospital, civilians queuing for aid, killing civilians with drones. Displacing and starving a whole population.

      These are war crimes.

      The individual soldiers are now criminals it doesn’t matter whether they follow orders or not. That precedent is already set at the Hague.

      The question is, if they’ve been following orders, how far up the ranks in the IDF are the war criminals?

      Assuming orders are being given and followed, what is the motivation for the orders?

      It looks like the definition for genocide is being met. An organised force, starving a population and culture, displacing a population and culture, removing and displacing orphaned children from that country.

      If you think Hamas are the cause of all of this I’ve got bad news for you. They’re only an excuse, the IDF has been waiting to do these things for a long time.

      The only question is how high the intent to do this has actually come from.