the left image is of a native port recompiled for PC, and the right one is an emulator being developed to run Switch 2 games
OOT was Nintendo’s card to drive console sales, since it lacked a strong card like BOTW in switch.
But it doesn’t justify $500 to enter an ecosystem with games of $60-80 plus $20 subscription per year to use online features (that you already paid for each game).
Games that never go on sale and will still be 80 bucks in 15 years
OOT was already decompiled before all this AI decompilation bussines though.
It’s a shame the company that isn’t peddling AI is the target of this, but also fuck Nintendo and their $10 upgrades for Switch 1 games which is the sole reason I didn’t buy a Switch 2.
Kind of ironic that the one way they didn’t try to be greedy is the one screwing them.
How do you know they don‘t use LLMs when coding or diffusion models for concept art when virtually every studio, even indie studio does it? I wouldn‘t be so naive.
Is Nintendo pushing AI into my home OS or work-related apps that I’m forced to use?
They don‘t even make work related apps. This is like giving hair salon an award for not pushing AI onto your phone.
Maybe they have or will someday, and maybe we’ll detect it when they do, and maybe someday pink elephants will poke out of my butt to blast trumpets. No use speculating on any of those three possibilities.
Fuck them.
And their 90€ 6/10 Mario Kart.
Knowing Nintendo, we’re gonna see the most fucked up respond from them to this fucked up AI shit.
And i’m running out of popcorn.
They’ll just double the size of their legal department and continue on their merry, DMCA-fuelled way.
DMCA works only where the platform cares about. Eden devs in example have their own repository on their on site. They don’t care about the DMCA claims. And if Nintendo can’t prove in court, they cannot do anything about it. I expect more and more devs go their own way too, if this trend is continuing.
to this fucked up AI shit
In case you didn’t know, this is not just “one thing” going on and not everything is Ai shit. The native ports are most likely supported heavily by Ai, but the emulators was done before Ai was a thing. They just extend this to the Switch 2 hardware, which is very similar to Switch 1. Since the Switch 2 can be jailbroken they have access to everything they need. I can’t say if every emulator developer is against Ai too, but not everything is at least vibe coded shit.
Every current Switch 2 emulator I’ve seen is vibe coded. Yes they are built on existing Switch 1 emulator code, but the Switch 2 parts are all AI generated
Vibe coding is just coding these days
I am backing up emulators, roms and recomp tools as long as they are available to the public.
I for one am very happy about this because OOT is one of my favorite games of all time and I really want to play the remake but I don’t have a Switch 2, and I really don’t want to fork over another $500+ on top of the thousands I’ve spent on the gaming hardware I already have just to play this, and maybe a handful of other Nintendo titles.
OG Recompiled is the best way to play it IMO. It adds all the QoL changes you could ever need without messing with designs and dialogue unnecessarily. OoT never really was a hard game but I think they made it a little too beginner friendly in the Switch 2 one. Though I will say some visual aspects of the newer one are impressive like the fog on the ground but that‘s such a tiny thing it doesn‘t actually matter.
As a huge fan of OoT, having played it since release and even been part of reverse engineering efforts early on for file format discovery and such on the original N64 rom (HylianToolbox was a mod tool that was brand new back then), I have been pretty disappointed with the remake.
There are certainly elements I like, such as improved graphics quality on par with other realistic looking AAA games from about 10 years ago, but I am finding all of Nintendo’s changes pointless and frustrating.
An example is in the Deku Tree. The 23 is number 1 Deku Scrubs. In the original, they were spaced out, and it was pretty intuitive to the player that the order is middle, right, left. Then the final Deku Scrub would tell you about Queen Gohma, ending with “Sorry Queenie.”
In the remake, the three scrubs are way closer together, and they have spotlights on them that flash in order from left to right. When defeated, the final Deku Scrub tells you something about “Dark Gohma” and says “Sorry Dark One,” or something like that, and then a new dialogue line is added in small letters: “But not really though.” Why? The original encounter was already fine, what on earth is the point of this change? It completely changes the context of the encounter.
There are hand-holding elements literally every inch if the screen. Navi is worse, and they added more places for Kaepora to appear. This, combined with the earlier mentioned change to the Deku Scrubs encounter, it makes me feel like Nintendo is afraid of letting the player explore. Which is baffling considering OoT already was piss easy.
Also, there are loading screens, which the original game did not have, and Aonuma really wanted to minimize during the gameplay reveal. They are pretty disruptive to the pacing of playing the game. Especially compared to the original, that was so good at scene transitions that most players dont even notice the original game changes levels in the tunnl between Mido in Kokiri Forest and the Great Deku tree in the original game, even during the cutscene that Navi flies through that tunnel. Some people may know it because emulators early on struggled at that part and have a stutter when that happens, but on original hardware at 20 fps it was not noticeable.
I’ve been watching ZFG play the remake. They’ve got an insane amount of knowledge of the game from decades of 100% speedruns, and keep pointing out like “oh hey, this pot used to contain a fairy” which is really interesting. Highly recommend watching that playthrough.
So far the main criticisms I agree with are:
- Rupees are artificially scarce. Most farming spots are gone, and most 50 and 20 rupees are replaced with 5’s. You’re very poor in the remake. Plus prices are increased as well for some reason. Bugs no longer sell for much either. No drawbridge chains rupees. The castle pot room contains only 1’s. Etc. General economy problems
- A lot of little secrets are either completely removed, or extremely obvious. Like the lava waterfall in dodongo cavern, grottos, shooting the gallery sign, etc. Everything is highlighted and shown to the player so you cannot possibly miss it (yellow paint)
- Lots of fun movement tech and combat options were removed or made clunky. Rolling has no invincibility frames and is slow, making it pointless. Spin attack is much slower and short range. Jump attack shorter range. Back walk and side hop are now slower than walking
- You have to hold A to sprint, which hurts your thumb. There is no toggle sprint.
- A lot of sequence breaks were patched. E.g. you cannot backflip to get the heart piece early above dodongo cavern. Hookshot is severely nerfed, you can only hook specific targets and climbable surfaces, not wooden textures. You basically have to do everything the intentional way; they really went out of their way to patch every single possible sequence break, even the very minor ones like for every heart piece and golden skulltula. Though you can still do dungeons in any order.
- Horse controls are annoying breath of the wild controls.
- You can only have one item “ready” at any time. They use the horrible recent Zelda game menu where every item is in one long list to select it. Luckily there’s not THAT many items to scroll through.
Of course there’s many good points as well. Graphics, voice acting, quality of life improvements, bonus lore, etc, make it a genuinely good remake. But it also feels like it lost a bit of it’s soul in the upgrade.
That’s an interesting review to read, considering you’re someone who has clearly been heavily involved with the OOT game and community for a long time.
I’m personally someone who played the game as a child and loved it, but haven’t played it in 20 years - and I expect that puts me squarely in the target demographic Nintendo were eyeing up for this remake.
From my perspective, it worked. The modern graphics feel as beautiful as what I probably imagined the original game looked like as a child - through the rose-tinted fog of old memories - and the vibes are so on point.
Everything about the game I do remember seems to fit, and all the details like the dialog changes you aren’t at all fond of I wouldn’t know - because for me that’s long forgotten.
It’s seeming so far as if someone could follow an N64 walkthrough and it would be 95% correct, and so from my inexpert perspective it feels like Nintendo were incredibly restrained in their treatment, and changed little.
Very different thoughts from me, coming from my very different position :)
OoT is tied for my favourite Zelda, although I can’t claim to be involved in reverse engineering. Didn’t share any of your criticisms so far and loving the remake; it’s brilliant.
This for me, but with the new Fire Emblem. I’ve played almost every game in the series. But I can’t justify $500 for a console for a single game, then pay whatever the going cost is now for the game ($60-80?), and then have all the inevitable DLC that actually raises the cost of the game to somewhere between $140-160 (most FE games since 3DS have DLC that nearly double the price of the game).
Oh, and if I pay $500 for that console, I have to pay a subscription fee if I do want to use internet features.
I hate Nintendo for their corporate practices, but at least up through the Switch, they actually make good games. And when people complain about their high price games, when you buy physical, that also means you can sell your games and get most of your money back from them. It’s the attacks on fan projects, the DMCAs, the DLC, and paid internet subscription that made me lose any love for them. Almost every older Nintendo console was worth it, but not now (I had a Wii U, lmao). It’s also incredibly frustrating in this day and age to be locked to a console when I might want to play things elsewhere.
Same for me, and I’ve owned every Nintendo home console since the NES. No longer worth it. My gaming dollars can go significantly farther on GoG.
I just want to play it with mods so I can fix those faces
Just admit you wanted to pirate it.
I thought they just did.
If Nintendo ported the game to PC I would gladly pay for it.
If Nintendo ported the game to PC I would gladly pay for it.
Me too. As Gaben said, piracy is mostly a service problem.
I don’t know how much money they make selling hardware but they could just sell games overpriced for PC (to compensate for what they didn’t earn selling hardware and store fees) and people will just buy.
The problem with that in Nintendo’s mind is, its not worth it. They would sell more games for sure, but in Nintendo’s mind the console becomes obsolete. But their entire business is around consoles and all the third party games they get the money from too. In order to sell their console to as many as possible, they need to have these blockbuster exclusives. In example this is why Microsoft is also going back to exclusives too, and Sony does less again.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a fan of this. I only play on PC and doing piracy since decades. But from the business standpoint, I understand where they are coming from. Platform holders operate differently than third party devs / publishers.
To me it looks like they sell the console to then try to catch you with the Software as a service. Like PS Plus. But for me this is useless because I do not play every week, sometimes I stop playing for weeks.
That being said, I think Sony did good putting some exclusives on Steam. I remember I bought Horizon Zero Dawn and Deathstranding. I even got a dualsense for DS.
And, yes, I also have a PS5 but never got a single game that requires PS Plus to play online. And the main reason I pick PS5 over PC sometimes is that PS5 is in the living room and I have sometimes time to play after 22:00.
There was literally no ambiguity
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Nintendo doesn’t deserve money at this point. Its either nostalgia bait remakes or garbage new Pokémon game
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Who the fuck can afford a switch 2 right now
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Fuck nintendo
- Kind of? Honestly they make good games and remakes. Ocarina is great. It also shows with how many people want to emulate their games.
- A lot of people it seems; Hardware: 26.35 million units were sold of the Switch 2.
- Yes. But also Sony and Xbox.
I’ve got the pc emulator and the .nup file working, sharing on soulseek. Runs, but testing hookshot emulator, building now.
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I don’t know if it’s allowed in here, but I’d love to know what the site on the left is
FitgirlNope, it’s called ovagames
Thanks
Not yet
Miyamoto-san is gonna be so pissed.
Reminds me of Napster in a way.
So does the decompiled one work yet? I feel like i woildve seen more on this if it did. I will absolutely play it this way once it happens.
The NX2 decomp is currently inferior to the slopulators. Probably multiple decomps by now. Fritchii emulator fork is #1 right now but I think it’s only for OOT. It’s a fork of Lichii which is a fork of Eglantine which is a fork of Eden which is a fork of Yuzu. I think? My head hurts. Lmao. What’s better or not changes every 6 hours.
I tried Fritchii last night after work and it’s playable now. The only graphical bug I noticed was some corrupted text box background texture when an NPC is emphasizing something like the Deku Tree boss door combination 2-3-1. Shader stutter and pretty demanding on hardware but I usually stayed above 30FPS in the more graphically intensive areas. Indoors was usually 60fps. Fritchii can cap to 30 if the variable frame rate annoys you.
12th gen core i5 / Radeon 9070XT. I ran Fritchii through Faugus Launcher / Proton-GE because no Linux build. Some have appimages, some are on AUR like another fork called ichii. It’s messy.
~~Video cutscenes desync audio on Radeon cards in all forks I’ve tried so far. ~~
Fritchii fixed desync.
If you’re wondering where I’m following progress it’s on the /r/decomps subreddit. Which is also posting all these Switch 2 slopulators.
Edit: the subreddit is already getting pressured to stop direct linking to github repos that are Switch 2 related. Nintendo big mad.
Thanks for the info! Definitely going to look into this soon. I wanna play this and Nintendo made it to hard for average ppl to do that anymore so oh well.
The NX2 decomp is currently inferior to the slopulators.
Depends on what you compare. The code quality and documentation itself is probably better. In the long run, this is more important. But I’m not against for the short term win with slop too. I need both.
It works great but you need a very powerful computer. Was playing lots yesterday.
I doubt it. I’ve recently checked whether the Tekken 6 recomp/port for PC was any good, but framerates are abysmal, it’s still effectively an emulated game.
I’ve heard several reports that it does! I’m leaving the afternoon free today so I can try to set it up myself.
lol, 52人fell for OP‘s🎣
Why not just say people? Did you really need to put 人 instead?
lol, the’re still folks that don’t read bios. get attahere if yar xenoglossophobic, or a grammarian.
