This is even worse than I expected. I expected another delay, or a autonomous taxi with a remote driver constantly monitoring at best. This is no better than a regular taxi.
- Will have a driver in the “robo” taxi
- Will need to only run on specific area at specific time frame
- Won’t run in “bad” weather
- Has all other kinds of small rules and quirks.
This seems like a complete waste of time for everyone involved.
It’s almost like it’s a grift for government contracts
So… A regular taxi, then? 🤔🤭😂😂😂😂
No, this will be less convenient and more expensive. Like the tesla tunnel thing in Vegas: subway, but much worse.
The autonomous taxis near me are legit more expensive than lift and Uber, the only time I tried to use it at least.
They’ve also got agents watching you inside the autonomous taxi at all times, so that’s fun.
More like Hobotaxi, am I right?
Or Nobotaxi, if that’s funnier. Whichever you like is fine.
So just a regular Taxi then…groundbreaking.
He did it again. Except now you have a shitty robo taxi with a driver that pays no attention. The worst of both worlds.
if he innovates even more he might eventually invent trains!
SMH not even 700 ppl remote working in India like Amazon
Are they allowed to honk?
More fraud.
Will the driver be dressed like Optimus?
Optimus doesn’t wear clothes.
Answer the fucking question.
So it’s a taxi.
Motherfucker loves trying to reinvent the wheel only to end up at the goddamn wheel.
“I’ma invent a giant system that goes underground so we can move people around faster!” That’s a subway, you santorum-covered condom.
The story behind that was that there was a actual plan for public transportation in California, but the hype trains surrounding this diverted all that attentionaway from meaningful changes
Par for the course for techbros. His hyperloop was a shittier train. UberPool is a shittier bus. All these dumbfucks grow up being told they’re the specialest boys, so of course people who made better things before them were clearly wrong.
Hyperloop was a raging success - it stopped funding of railway. I believe he even admitted that this was behind it to begin with.
Luckily only in Murica.
The liberal parties here tried to make the same argument here, but luckily no one takes them seriously (in Europe this means something different, than in the US. It’s not progressive/left-leaning, they are more like Libertarians/Republicans. They don’t hate gay people, but hate paying taxes and regulations)
Wait, who actually likes paying taxes?
I believe paying taxes is a fair tradeoff for living in a society. My concerns are that those taxes be applied fairly, even if that impacts me, and that they be used to improve society for its people, even if it costs me more.
I know people who are elderly or have lower income, I have kids in college, I have been between jobs in parts of my career, I’ve had major medical emergencies in my family …. And I have the empathy to want no one to go through that without assistance. I know the only way for people to “pick themselves up by their bootstraps” (I know, I know), is that when they fall off the tightrope they are caught before hitting the ground. I know the only way to break the cycle of poverty and crime is for kids to start with the same opportunities as their peers. I know that technology and science can be directed and accelerated by targeted investments. And yes, even if it costs me more. My successes are a product of my society and it is fair for them to feed back into society
I do. They make sure that my family which is borderline in proverty and barely able to live sometimes can actually survive.
I do.
When I fall of my bike, hurt my arm and need a doctor to fix it, I don’t have to think about insurance or medical debt, or anything. I just go to the hospital and go back home to heal without paying a dime and with paid leave for as long as I need to recover.
I also love that I can take an affordable train to go almost everywhere in my country, that universities don’t require a loan so high that you will be paying for it for years… I could go on, but you get the idea.
I love paying taxes because it’s way cheaper than the american alternative.
I do, mostly. Believe it or not, we do live in a society. Taxes and fees are integral to the well-being of the place you live in, from the small (apartment building, street, beighborhood) to the medium (city, commune) to the big (region, country).
Public services need to be funded, and we fund them with taxes. I like paying taxes. What I hate is when those taxes get misused. What I hate is the CEO of my company, who last year made 300x what I made (and I make well above average salary) paying half the amount pf taxes I pay (percentage wise) because my money comes from salary and his comes from capital gains. What I hate is seeing homeless people around because you could build homes and give them to the homeless if the rich fucks were taxes properly.
Hear hear. I think it was Chomsky that said something like “we should all be celebrating tax day; that we don’t speaks volumes”
People who are not too stupid or egoistic to see that good things happen with them?
I love the awesome public transport network here, I love the good maintained hiking paths, I love that I can walk safe outside because of good social security. I love that all people have access to good healthcare here
Motherfucker loves trying to reinvent the wheel only to end up at the goddamn wheel.
A shittier version of the wheel.
An oval.
Isn’t the Cybertruck steering wheel called a squircle?
If so, they stole that name from Sony
Hahahaha
Edit: oh fuck I thought you were just making a joke. Jesus fucking Christ.
Terrible name for a terrible design. Yoke style steering wheels are not safe for cars because they create awkward handholds as they rotate.
Yoke style works in planes and race cars where they aren’t rotated 360+ degrees regularly, rarely over 90 degrees either direction.
If it made sense, Saab would have done it.
I cringed. I don’t know if you made that up or not, and the fact that I genuinely can’t tell made me sad for this stupid timeline.
Apparently it fucking is. God I hate everything.
An X... New rimless cross spoke omnidirectional wheel
Musky naming something involving X.
Challenge: Impossible.
A square and it’s going to be revolutionary. Each side of the square is going to be an add-on
AKA…the “New and Improved Wheel”. It’s all about the marketing.
A wheel that may very well kill you, depending on a number of factors that they are well aware of, but unwilling to admit to, in order to fix them.
props for the accurate use of “santorum.”
Santorum lmao there’s a classic I forgot about
Oh I didn’t. I use it regularly.
You mean You create it regularly😝😝
“Failure is an option here. If things are not failing, you are not innovating enough.”
-Elon Musk
But it’s Nazi inventions. Or something I dunno. He’s an idiot and has always been. Just took everyone this long to realize it.
Imagine that job though. It is your job to be a scapegoat for traffic collisions.
Fantastic use of traffic collision, great reference.
“Accident implies there’s nobody to blame.”
I can imagine very few people will be lining up for that job.
In this world where people are DoorDash delivery drivers I wonder what the hell you were thinking and why you don’t think that people aren’t poor enough everywhere to sign up for this
You underestimate how desperate people are becoming to feed their family
There is a lot of people willing to lick Musky’s taint.
I must say, it’s been a little nicer not having this dipshit in the headlines every single fucking day. I guess he’s going to start saying things again and fuck with my peace of mind.
I think Musk should 100% trust his fucking piece of shit robotaxi tech and use it exclusively. Good chance it drives him off a bridge.
yeah, totally not to keep the robotaxis from being molotoved. although after what musk did, not sure the presence of drivers will stop people.
More like: “If a “driver” is present and the car decides to kill someone, we can blame it on the human instead of the shoddy programming”
Like the Paris metro
For ‘driving’ reasons.
Waymo doesn’t need it, but he does? lol
That’s because Tesla self-driving takes a different, and imo way worse, approach.
Waymo relies on mapping, the entire city is basically 3D modelled and loaded into the car memory. It’s more or less ‘on rails’. It also uses LIDAR for live data alongside imaging cameras, again building a 3D model of its environment combined with image recognition.
Tesla decided that, for some reason, they want their cars to drive ‘like humans’, only relying on vision and deployable anywhere, without pre-mapping.
Demanding a computer to behave like humans, instead of using a computer’s strengths, seems like a very poorly thought out move to me.
Arguably mapping out cities to this degree across the globe is a ginormous effort, on an order of magnitude more so than what Google Maps etc. currently provide. Thus I don’t think it’s entirely unreasonable to try designing something that operates purely in terms of sensory input (and of course map data where available, those approaches don’t have to be mutually exclusive).
drive ‘like humans’, only relying on vision […] without pre-mapping.
Demanding a computer to behave like humans
So basically their taxis will go into the job of driving a taxi without any prior knowledge of the city? Like a human? Only relying on road signs? Will it also stop to ask for directions? Like wtf? What kind of stupid idea is this from Tesla. Sounds absolutely moronic.
A human taxi driver doesn’t work like this. They are people who know the city very well going in, or at least used to before GPS navigation in vehicles came to aid.
He’s famously said that humans are good enough with just our two eyes. So he went the cheap route of not including lidar and relying on stereoscopic cameras.
He’s an idiot. Because when I want stuff automated, I want it to be better than what a human can do.
humans are good enough with just our two eyes
This requires the car to have an equally sophisticated visual cortex as well, which we cannot achieve right now. Cars need those better sensors to equal our abilities.
God, hearing his stupid arguments shows us he really knows nothing about anything.
Because he seems to base his ideas purely on how cool he thinks they are rather than practicality and efficiency (such as the hidden tesla door handles).
Very stupid.
GPS is knowledge of the city. Most cities publish detailed street map data that is immediately imported into gps maps. The car relies on the gps not just for navigating, but even deciding things like what lane. And of course gps’s have much more complete traffic data than your human taxi driver ever did.
Exactly!
Does the taxi driver remember every sign in the city, every road and parking spot? No. They are humans - they remember the streets, some important spots that are confusing, maybe a couple of shortcuts. There is a huge difference between having a 3d map of everything in the city in the memory, and setting a GPS to an address, reading the signs as you go by and adhering to them. Also if self driving tech is to expand, you don’t go putting the entire world into memory - that’s not scaleable.
Does the taxi driver remember every sign in the city, every road and parking spot? No.
having a 3d map of everything in the city in the memory
you don’t go putting the entire world into memory
Cars don’t do this either, do they? Surely this type of data is streamed as needed. Just like video games do. This type of optimization has been around for decades… We need not worry about that in cars either.
I’m just saying that GPS and LIDAR is needed in addition to just camera input.
No argument on gps and lidar from me. Streaming doesn’t work. You are probably thinking about Microsoft flight sim, which completely fails (and is the first “completely streamed” map). Out in the “real world”, you don’t have a fiber connection to stream gigabytes every hour.
While I don’t want to fanboi too much …… as long as nobody is able to do self driving, any approach has potential. Teslas approach has the huge advantage of starting with millions of potential vehicles and they will soon be able to crank out a quarter million robotaxis every year, whereas Waymo is not ready to scale up. They’re going all in with a potential approach and if it succeeds are in position to disrupt the industry.
It might not succeed, but no other company has succeeded yet either. The difference is they went all in, and they were willing to try something different than Internet wisdom
(Actually, as a big fan of what Tesla used to represent, this worries me about their future: Cybertruck flopped, robotaxi may not succeed for years, semi is a very conservative market they may not be able to break into or will be slow take up , and Optimus doesn’t yet have a market. They’re making some extremely risky moves at the same time their profit margins are under a lot of pressure. )
Waymo also has much more reliable tech. To my knowledge waymos are level 4 while Tesla is only level 2 (which doesn’t even qualify as autonomous)
When waymo was first getting qualified, they had human drivers too. Once they had so many miles, they quit needing the humans.
Didn’t Waymo start with assisting drivers though? Like I get it, fuck this shitstain, but this seems like a very reasonable approach to self driving cars.
- Step 1: Prove the concept in a closed environment.
- Step 2: Prove the concept in an open environment, but with traning wheels in case something goes wrong.
- Step 3: After extensive testing in step 2, full rollout of final product.
Elon made the intentional decision to NOT use LIDAR because he’s a cheapskate and unwilling to take input. He is not using an even remotely reasonable approach. He chose not to use a reasonable approach on purpose.
Waymo have laser beams on their heads.
