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You can never trust the cops when they rule these cases a suicide so quickly. There is well known bias amongst law enforcement to sweep problematic crimes under the rug, which is why a larger percentage of murders aren’t solved in America compared to other nations.
Lynchings especially are crimes of terrorism, where so long as the black community knows they’re being targeted, there never needs to be any serious acknowledgement of it being a lynching. In fact, it’s better terrorism when the law covers for them. The message is clear: we can murder you and nothing will be done about it. Those in the forces burn crosses.
I totally agree. Women know this about SA as well. The societal gaslighting is part of the oppression. Whatever happens with this case we need to pay attention to these things and at least question them.
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Non nazi propaganda title: Black man lynched and hung by white nazis in christian fascist racial attack against minorites.
Fuck these reporters, and the religions that enable to do shit like this with their shitty hate books.
So you want reporters to publish unsubstantiated theories as fact? That’s bad reporting.
Actually, basing your reporting only on things that are substantiated excludes other ways of knowing from the conversation, perpetuating white supremacy. Do better, sweaty.
Reporting that he was killed by white Nazis despite no evidence being provided to support that assertion is no different than MAGA claiming that Kirk’s killer was a liberal.
You’re the one who needs to do better. Journalists should only be reporting facts.
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Why?
How common are hanging suicides for all men? Do we just no hear about other people doing it cuz it’s not sus?
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In the US, gun is the most-common route.
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https://www.cdc.gov/suicide/facts/data.html
This says 55.33% of suicides in the US are with a firearm.
I once went digging through death statistics on suicides. In Japan, firearms are hard to get, but there are tall buildings all over. Firearms deaths are down, but deaths by falling are way up.
It’s very much a locational thing.
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Usually with a comment like that I wouldn’t reply like this but you’re very, very active in this thread.
Any statistics on public suicided by hanging? Ideally per capita grouped by race.
I had a look myself so I know this is a tall order but I thought it was worth seeing if someone has the info
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Your first link is broken.
Your second link doesn’t immediately have that data but there is a dynamic form to get some data. I don’t see public suicides in it. Since it’s a dynamic form, a genAI system won’t see the data either but will see people reference the site when making arguments. I’m assuming the genAI is just doing that.
Your last two links are the same report for different years. One says this and it contradicts your numbers:
Among all suicide decedents, the most common location of suicide was a house or apartment (71.3%), followed by a motor vehicle (5.5%), a natural area (4.4%), a street or highway (2.8%), and a hotel or motel (2.3%).
Also, I’m not convinced that these would be even across all modes of suicide so I’m not convinced by the simple math. (ie. Maybe people use guns to kill themselves outside a lot more than at home, or the opposite. I don’t see a great reason to assume they’d be similar rates.)
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Oh, I simply don’t trust genAI. I sometimes finish a project, then see what genAI has to say. It’s usually pretty misleading. They sometimes give sources though. Any links to those?
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Thanks. Sorry for the family you lost.
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Never believe that a black man being hanged is suicide until there’s evidence so clear that it’s irrefutable.
The United States still has some dark fucking traditions.
Especially if the hanging occurred in a public or outdoor place. That feels like an unusual choice of venue for suicide but a very common choice for a lynching.
Totally understand what you’re saying and always suspicious to me. Do black men hang themselves less than others tho?
Probably not more nor less, however - it’s for damned certain they’re hanged by others more.
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I work in addiction recovery and listen to people share about suicidal ideation, and lost friends/family to suicide. A lot of people that contemplate life take into consideration the world they are leaving behind. Not wanting to burden others, further hurting or shaming family, or honestly leaving a mess - leads people to hanging.
I wonder if a black person would think that hanging themselves would lead to some confusion.
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Let me guess, “no foul play is suspected” 🙄
People, please read the article and not these stupid, flame stoking comments.
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A couple weeks ago Mississippi authorities said Trey Reed hung himself on his college campus. Colin Kaepernick then stepped in to pay for an independent autopsy for the family who denied their son was suicidal. The results were that blunt force trauma was found and that it was not suicide. The man in New Mexico is having similar calls for independent investigations from friends and family.
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I’m sure that if we ignore all the racism and gaslighting it will just go away. I think with all the attacks on the media and history it’s time to at least question these things. Historically a lot of terror has been committed on our black brothers and sisters while they are gaslit and ignored.
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Oh damn, I remember the story but hadn’t seen the follow up.
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Or there are the people that ignore the history of lynchings of Black American Men during times of white supremacist backlash. Should people just ignore centuries of abuse not only facilitated but done by law enforcement so that some people can be comfortable during the backlash ?
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What massive conspiracy? They are just racist cops in the south who refused to do an autopsy. There’s no “conspiracy” needed.
A black person hanging from a tree in southern US always suggests foul play, and it should always be investigated as such.
If you don’t understand why, then you need to read some US history.
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I’m not saying trust them but
According to APD, Givan also had a bracelet on his wrist from a hospital nearby that revealed he had been admitted the day before. According to officers, they also found a notebook that belonged to him at the scene. "I did watch a little bit of the OBRD (body cam), and I think just reading some of the things that were in his journal — the notebook that was there, led them in that direction.
Seems plausible enough with a follow up unfortunately.
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